Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dive bar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete. A discussion on whether to redirect/merge/etc. can be pursued on the talk page. Stifle (talk) 09:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dive bar[edit]

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This appears to be a dictionary definition. Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary gives some guidance, and one suggestion is that such definitions are merged or redirected to the nearest article on the topic. Drinking establishment seems to be the most appropriate redirect, where a definition of dive is given. One difficultly in giving a definition is that there is no formal agreement, as the term itself is slang and somewhat vague. There are no reliable sources talking directly about the concept of "dive bar", though there are sources which use the term, which does indicate that it is "slang, jargon or usage" rather than an encyclopaedic topic. SilkTork *^YES! 22:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Fails WP:NOT. Eddie.willers (talk) 22:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Retain I wrote most of this definition myself and did not consult any dictionary when I did it. This article has been on Wikipedia for over five years. It meaningful, informative, and a significant contribution to content in the area of alcoholic beverages, drinking establishments, and drinking culture. "Dive" in this meaning has an entry in NOAD2, where the word is classified as "informal" -- not as slang or jargon.Wahrmund (talk) 23:11, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article needs work but it can be expanded and improved to meet WP standards. Likeminas (talk) 23:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is not a slang term, but a recognized category of watering hole. the_undertow ^talk 02:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a dicdef or redirect to Bar (establishment). Evidence that this is not a coherent topic can be found in the Google Books results, where the term seems to be impossible to pin down, with each person who writes about "dive bars" offering his or her own idiosyncratic view of what constitutes one. Deor (talk) 16:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Bar (establishment). Deor has a point. I read the article and I still don't know WTF a "dive bar" is. If somebody can pin it down then a standalone article can be restored. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Ron, I can't find any indication that this is a term that is worthy of an article in its own right. A redirect would be especially useful if there were a section on dive bars in Bar (establishment). (This, of course, assumes that a well-sourced and more clear description can be presented.) --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 01:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Redirect – a dive bar is a significant recognized genre (low-end neighborhood bar; in the US, where patrons drink PBR, not microbrews); quibbles aside, let’s not fall into Loki's Wager. Could be expanded to a reasonable article as per fern bar with a little work, in current state better suited to a section in Bar (establishment). —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Specific and notable genre, as explained by User: Nbarth. I added a source to the article.--Pink Bull 02:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's more than a dicdef. It is a real term, and describes a real thing, granted that it is somewhat slangy, but what do you want when addressing the demimonde? Notable, referenced, worthwhile. Herostratus (talk) 03:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.