Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Distribution of Hindus in Guyana

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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 23:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Distribution of Hindus in Guyana[edit]

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Unnecessary stat list, which is essentially a duplicate of the census. This is not notable per Wikipedia guidelines, as an collection of stats/indiscriminate list. Contested PROD on grounds that as Hinduism is main religion in Guyana that this is inherently notable, see Talk for contester's full objection. Ravendrop 16:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or summarize please, this violates WP:LIST as being too long, too indiscriminate, and too detailed. Many if not most of the samples, districts, or examples are not notable, and at least some subjects of a list ought to be notable in themselves. I also suspect this is just a cut and past of a government document. Bearian (talk) 17:22, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This comes awfully close to violating WP:STAT. However, I think that Hinduism in Guyana, which was redirected to Hinduism in South America, should be turned into an article and that some of the information here should be linked rather than repeated verbatim. It is notable that Guyana, a South American nation would have a 30 percent Hindu population (in comparison, the figure in the United States is 1/2 of 1 percent) and that they constitute a substantial, though no longer a majority, group in certain regions. Neighboring Surinam is the other South American nation that has a large Hindu population. While I don't see this as a stand alone article as it is, I think that the subject is notable enough to be its own article, rather than part of an article about the continent. Mandsford 17:27, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure what you mean by the reference to WP:STAT; it's not a policy or guideline that can be violated. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Hinduism is one of the largest religions in Guyana. We don't even have an article for the major religion in Guyana. Axxn (talk) 17:31, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That brings to mind another problem I have with this article-- not just a sprawling list of statistics, but a synthesis-- not very good synthesis either-- of percentages of selected religions, ethnic groups and nationalities. Hindu, Muslim, White, Brazilian... I don't get it. Incidentally, Christianity describes 57 percent of the population, but its diverse range of denominations, the largest of which is Pentecostal (17%), followed by Roman Catholic (which has its own article), Anglican and Seventh-Day Adventist (5%). Mandsford 19:35, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the Hindus are East Indians. The ethnicity is added in order to specify that. Axxn (talk) 19:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete based on the current format. Hinduism is undoubtedly a major religion in Guyana and worthy of coverage in Wikipedia; according to the 2002 census, Hindus make up about 28% of the country's population. However, this article breaks down the population down to the village level, including census areas with as few as one person. If, instead, the article focused only on the country's ten regions, it would be much more usable. Furthermore, the article includes columns or rows for religions (such as Hindu and Muslim) and racial groups (such as Indians, Africans, Amerindians, and others) mixed together without any clear organization. I would recommend instead including a table of religion by region, and another table of race by region, in Demographics of Guyana, and including a map showing the ten regions there. But this particular article looks unworkable, and for that matter, the majority of the statistics in this article aren't about Hindus. The village-by-village statistics would, in any event, just be very long copies of information from the census and can be noted as an external link from Demographics of Guyana for those who are looking for them. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:10, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I also note that if one is looking for, say, the number or percentage of Hindus in Georgetown, Guyana, the country's capital and largest city, one won't find any mention of Georgetown in this article. My guess is that the census breaks the city down by census tracts/neighborhoods, thus making it difficult to identify which tracts/neighborhoods are part of the city in this table. In any event, the breakdown of the population by these small tracts/neighborhoods is unlikely to be helpful to the general reader. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:35, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While I recognize that someone put a lot of work into this, it's a table full of the statistics "that anyone can edit". I somewhat get the explanation by the article creator on what he or she chose to display here-- the largest of the ethnic groups, 43 1/2 %, is of Indian descent, most of whom, 70% perhaps, are Hindu and others of whom are Muslim-- but taking selected stats to make a point is original synthesis. As stated, I think that there is room for an article about Hinduism in Guyana, but not for someone's interpretation of statistics [1] in a particular document. Mandsford 13:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This list has some major issues:

The title: From the data presented it could equally be called: List of Muslim or Indians in Guyana; or better something generic: ethnicities of Guyana or religions.
The data presented does not follow its single source. The source differentiates between ethnicities and religions and provides separate lists for them, each summing up to 100%. The present list combines the data in a weird way, so that the percentages sum up to something between 110% and 140%. Indeed, it is not clear how the data presented has been taken from the source.
The list makes up its own definitions, e.g., "East Indian" in the source becomes "Indian" in the present list. While most readers will relate the latter to the current Indian Republic, the former likely refers to people who have immigrated from the much larger colonial Britsh India.

There should be a place to include the Guyana census data on Wikipedia, and the above issues could perhaps be fixed. However, the list cannot be maintained in this weird way that, at least by title, focuses on one part of he population. In consequence, many of these article would be needed to be created, all displaying more or less the same data. This shows how the existence of this list goes in the wrong direction. Tomeasy_{T C} 22:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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