Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dispero Ras Siento

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:52, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dispero Ras Siento[edit]

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Appears to be a promotional article that doesn't sufficiently assert the notability of the subject.

At first glance, this appears to be a very in-depth and extensively-referenced article. However, upon examination, very few of these are to clearly independent third party sources. The vast majority of references are simply links to his material (i.e. videos or upload pages) or to profiles whose provenance is unclear and read strongly like self-penned or PR content.

(One of the few that doesn't come across as this is a blogspot.co.uk article, which I don't consider a reliable reference for notability purposes).

In addition, this article is clearly derived significantly from the Last FM profile "referenced" here with large chunks being almost identical. This pushes things beyond legitimate referencing into copyright violation... assuming that the author (Natasha Pap) *is* an unconnected third party. Otherwise, it might be more a case of someone associated with the subject rehashing their own PR. (I don't know who writes the Last.FM profiles, FWIW).

All articles directly associated with the subject appear to have been created by Natasha Pap who shows no notable activity in any other areas. Perhaps she's genuinely a big fan of the guy or perhaps she works for his record company- I can't tell.

I've nominated this as the main article, but I'd also like people to consider other Natasha Pap-created articles associated with the artist; specifically, these ones.

(This discussion at Commons might also be useful).

Ubcule (talk) 13:49, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:13, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:13, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mr. Ubcule, i want to ask some questions. First of all i want to let you know that it's my first time writing on Wikipedia and i would like it to be complete and elaborate. I went to Dispero's company ( Music Kitchen) and asked about everything and Mr. Roilidis told me they opened one account ( Dispero Ras Siento) and they uploaded everything I need for my article. After what they upload I tried to correct it to make it better. So my question to you is why are you doing this to me? Is it easier for you to delete my work rather than helping me fix it?

Thank you.

Natasha (talk) 14:49, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Please read the Wikipedia articles on notability and reliable sources. Notability is required for the subject of an article, and can be shown via coverage in reputable and independent third-party sources.

As I've already explained, the problem with your references is that (while there are a lot of them) almost *none* of come from sources that are clearly reliable *and* independent.

For example, the paragraph starting "In 2009 Dispero released two new video clips, while recording his next cd" appears in the Greek.FM profile. Who wrote this? Where did it come from? It's not a reliable source if we don't know. The problem is that almost all your "references" are like this.

Also, you cannot simply copy content from elsewhere verbatim. (Using a reference or source to back up an article is *not* the same as simply copying it). If it's not your article, do you have permission to copy it? If not, it's a copyright violation.

I'm sorry, but I can only judge your article by what I can see here, and unfortunately it comes across as very promotional without demonstrating the notability of the subject.

As the creator, it's your responsibility to demonstrate that the article subject is (at least) notable, not ours. If you can address this issue by providing references that are both reliable and independent for this, and you can explain/justify the material copied from other sources, then your article stands a better chance of being kept.

Ubcule (talk) 18:38, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Natasha Pap: Ubcule is not "doing this to you", his concern is with the article. As it stands, it has many worthless references, to Youtube and to blogs. He also states that it includes copyright violations, though I haven't checked that claim. If you can fix these problems, and supply some valid citations showing that the subject is notable, it should survive the proposal for deletion. But please be aware that Ubcule, and I, and all the editors here, are volunteers. We have no duty to try to fix articles created by others. Maproom (talk) 21:14, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If someone can provide reliable sources for two of this musician's albums (Hip-Hop Show, ΠΟΣΟ ΛΥΠΑΜΑΙ (Dispero album)) being produced by Universal Music Group, then the subject qualifies easily on WP:NMUSICIAN. As of right now, there is no English language RS I can find to confirm this claim. Perhaps there are Greek sources; unfortunately, Spanish, Portuguese and English are the maximum places I can traverse to on the RS front. If no sources can be provided, a SOFTDELETE may be in order. The current sources in the article are all unreliable. Lourdes 03:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, promotional and non-notable. I would have at least considered speedying this Note I've removed all the links to his YouTube videos Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Additional; I've noticed that the referenced article at Greek.FM appears to be almost- if not exactly- the same as the bio article at Last.FM. So one is merely a duplicate of the other (i.e. these aren't two references), it's unclear which is the original, and it's still unclear who wrote either (i.e. can't be taken as a reliable reference).

Also, the Blogspot(!) article referenced is no longer there; an Internet Archive copy does exist.

Just to be clear, this is not a judgement by us on the quality of the guy's music- quite the opposite, our opinion is irrelevant here but we need evidence of notability via reputable publications. There's none here so far, unfortunately.

Ubcule (talk) 10:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello guys, thank you for your opinion and help, these two old cds made by universal and some years after Dispero changed companies and released his work from "music kitchen record". I am searching for evidence from universal but everything changed to "music kitchen". I don't know why is this important because "music kitchen" is an original and legitimate record company. I have the cd in my hands if you want me to take pictures of it and send them to you for examination. Thanks again guys, I'm trying my best. Jimfbleak thank you for your help.

Natasha (talk) 15:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 22:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As no sources have been provided despite my request and despite the time given during the past few days, I'll have to go for delete with no prejudice against recreation if sources can be found. Lourdes 03:15, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If all these proofs aren't strong enough for your community, go like : last.fm , sonichits.com , mygreek.fm e.t.c. I'm very sorry but I don't know how else to prove it to you. I don't know why is it so difficult for you to understand, i mean with just one visit to Dispero's page or on YouTube you'll find video clips, shows and interviews on tv that can prove it to you. The truth is that I'm very sad for the way they behave. They call themselves "volunteers" but they only destroy they don't create. Mr. Lourdes , do what you were born to do, delete my dreams and my 8 month long work. Natasha (talk) 14:49, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Natasha Pap, I am a Ms., not a Mr. That apart, the intention is not to destroy your creation. The intention is to ensure that the widely read Wikipedia has articles that are notable. Might I suggest that you give a read to WP:Notability, WP:BIO and to WP:BLP? That would enable you to understand what kind of articles we have on Wikipedia and what kind of verifiable sourcing we require within them. Please follow the guidelines and policies I have linked to, and you may have your article recreated. You can work on your article in a draft section before moving it to the main space the next time. That way, you can ask my or any other editor's comments on whether the article qualifies on our notability guidelines. Thanks. Lourdes 09:33, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the sake of one last attempt at helping you, can you provide us two or three newspaper or book sources/links that have discussed this performer in-depth? Your radio sources, blog sources and videos are not reliable as per our policies and guidelines. We need reliable sources. Can you provide the ones I have requested? Thanks. Lourdes 09:40, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find anything on news or books or on the internet but I can find it in magazines and newspapers on paper. I am searching for some kind of rules on wikipedia and they say that if a musician has 4 cd/albums or more it's ok to make an article. Ok Lourdes i'm not sure what more to do to prove to you the existance of this musician, so do what you must do and i will continue searching for a complete article to write about this..thanks for your guidance. Natasha (talk) 12:09, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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