Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dimitris Kousouris

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Hrisi Avgi. It sounds like a new article on the incident should be created; when that happens this article can be re-redirected to the article on the incident. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-12-29 06:23Z

Dimitris Kousouris[edit]

A left-wing student who has once been the victim of an attack, does not deserve his own encyclopedia article. Mitsos 13:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I need to do more research before deciding what I think about the notability of Mr. Kousouris, but given this RfC I have my doubts that this is a good faith nomination. - Eron ^Talk 15:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The nominator isn't exactly known for his civil behaviour and is a known supporter of neo-nazi ideology. He has been pushing these thoughts on several articles so I don't think he is to be considered objective. That said, the article he is nominating is not of very high quality. However, ~~he was instrumental in these strikes and~~ given the history of his country I cannot entirely deny that he may meet WP:N. Potential contributers to this AfD should be warned about the nominator though. Participants with better knowledge of Greek affairs should be encouraged to voice their opinions. MartinDK 16:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I corrected myself above. I am unable to find a source for that statement or in what way he was a student leader. This requires further research to establish if he is notable or not. Also it needs to be established if the students were instrumental in the strike and what part he might have played. It seems to have generated quite an amount of local press. However, the criteria is verifiability so unless we van verify his notability I say we delete the article. If there aren't better sources anyway the article is unlikely to ever grow beyond stub status. MartinDK 20:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- This isn't about me. It's about the deletion of an unecessary article. Kousouris wasn't "instrumental in strikes" he is known only because he was attacked. He doesn't meet WP:N. About you who say that I 'm "not to be considered objective" because I 'm a "neo-Nazi", what can I say... You are very open-minded... Mitsos 19:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep is a stub isn't it? persons hist. before attack might be notable (have {fact}ed it, & ask for such). ⇒ bsnowball 13:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletions. -- ⇒ bsnowball 13:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I won't ask for a ^{[citation needed]} tag because I know it's not true. This article must be deleted. Mitsos 13:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I lean towards week keep, but I want to inform the reviewers about the essence of the event. Kousouris was brutally beaten by a group of extreme right-wing members of Hrisi Avgi. One of them was Antonios Androutsopoulos who was sentenced in 21 years in prison, and who has an article in Wikipedia (article created by Damac and edited by Mitsos). This event took significant publicity in Greece and was notable. Now, my opinion is that if Kousouris does not deserve an article of himself, Androutsopoulos deserves neither! Either we will delete both articles and create a single article concentrated on the events and not the person (e.g. Kousouris' beating); either we'll keep both articles.--Yannismarou 13:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yannismarou is right. I think we must delete both articles and maybe create an article on the incident (although it is already mentioned in Hrisi Avgi). P.S.: "extreme right-wing members of Hrisi Avgi" Not righ-wing! Nationalist (or neo-nazi). Mitsos 13:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Crime victims aren't notable just for being crime victims, even if the crime is covered by the media. Sandstein 09:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You might have some argument on your hands here, as some editors sincerely believe anything that was covered by the media is inherently notable.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 23:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Antonios Androutsopoulos. This guy isn't notable of his own accord, very few ghits, none notable. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised to see the other guy's article here in the near future as well, and I'd probably vote to delete it, too. --Dachannien^Talk_Contrib 10:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Per mitsos, merge with the Antonios Androutsopoulos article to form a new one about the event rather than the people. Akihabara 14:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment pertinent to Sandstein's point above. If you want to see a really irrelevant crime-victim page, look here. This one is a lot less overblown.FasterPussycatWooHoo 14:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to reinforce that this is not an example of "if we have X, why not Y", articles like that do often come up for deletion and are frequently kept on the general grounds that if they were covered by the newspaper in any detail, they are notable. This seems to be an area where consensus has not yet developed.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 23:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Notability (much like his attacker) is questionable, and only in the context of Hrisi Avgi. Ronabop 23:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Hrisi Avgi (along with Antonios Androutsopoulos). Subject NN - lots of "students" get beat up in demonstrations worldwide - maybe not quite as many as form crappy bands, but close. Argyriou (talk) 08:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, NN. Pavel Vozenilek 17:59, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see anything here that comes close to meeting WP:BIO. He's already mentioned at Antonios Androutsopoulos and there is really nothing worth merging there.--Isotope23 16:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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