Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dilyan Iliev

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The result was delete as no-one could actually provide evidence that he meets WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 15:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dilyan Iliev[edit]

No claim to notability is asserted. Footballers, to be worthy of an article, need to have played professionally, yet this article makes no claim that the player has done so. slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 13:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It pains me, but ~~weak keep~~ per WP:ATHLETE criterion 1. It seems that his club, PFC_Levski_Sofia is fully professional (at least belongs to Bulgarian A Professional Football Group). How this article will ever have real sources eludes me at the moment. --Storkk (talk) 14:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Striking out, until I understand what "on trial with" means in the context of professional soccer (is he a paid member of the team?). --Storkk (talk) 14:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Please speak up, anyone, you disagree with this... "On-trial" is more or less the footballing term for an audition. I've never heard of one lasting longer than a month. In any case, he's not a member of the team until he signs a more permanent contract. slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 16:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Partially quoting from a comment made at WT:FOOTY (because I can't think of a better way to explain it myself): "a trial is an invitation to train with a club for test purposes, to see if the manager thinks they are a worthwhile purchase. They can extend for as long as the manager (presuming the manager is the one who makes the trial offer) wants it to, but rarely last over a month because if after a month the trialist hasn't been offered a contract, it's probably because the manager has decided not to hire them." Semi-professional leagues may allow trialliasts to actually play in competitive matches, professional leagues generally don't....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - That's exactly what I wanted to know, thank you... Delete now that ChrisTheDude and Slumgum have clarified it. --Storkk (talk) 10:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: According to the infobox, he was with teams in the 2004 Belgian Jupiler League, the 2006 German second division and the 2008 German second division, all of which were fully professional leagues. The odds are that he must have played at least one professional game. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The phrase 'the odds are' takes a leap of faith which could be avoided with any evidence of this. Everything on Wikipedia must be verifiable. Can you find verification? I can't. Reserve goalkeepers can spend their career without playing a first-team game. slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 20:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bulgaria-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 20:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I searched him in playerhistory and he didn't show up; I'm not saying this definitely rules anything out, of course, just a piece of information. matt91486 (talk) 22:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've found him on the club's official website (here), but it seems he hasn't appeared for the team as of yet and therefore, probably, fails WP:ATHLETE. BanRay 22:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per above and because he currently fails WP:ATHLETE. Unless any reliable evidence can prove otherwise. --Jimbo^[online] 12:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - he was not in Freiburg's 2. Bundesliga squad for 2007-08 or Erzgebirge Aue's 2. Bundesliga squad for 2005-06. Either he played only for their reserve teams (which is quite possible despite his age, since German reserve teams play in the league system) or he is actually made up. Incidentally to the nominator, making an "assertion for notability" is a criterion only relevant in WP:CSD, and anyway notability is asserted in this article, in the sense that his infobox contains several clubs which participate(d) in fully professional leagues - that's why you have to take it to AfD where we can do more research and see if he is actually notable or not. ugen64 (talk) 15:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 16:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless verified. Punkmorten (talk) 09:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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