Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diane Salema

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to ~~MTV (Canada)~~ MTV Live (Canada) for GFDL reasons. Keilana^talk_(recall) 01:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Diane Salema[edit]

Unnotable host of a single show, article has never been more than a 1-3 sentence stub since its creation over a year ago, despite being tagged multiple times for article issues and being PRODed. Collectonian (talk) 20:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletions. —Collectonian (talk) 20:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletions. —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I agree this is the merest of stub articles. But I removed the PROD and would like a chance to explain why. 1) as a National co-host on MTV Canada, I believe she meets -- if just barely -- the WP:BIO requirement for "television personalities" to play "significant roles" on TV. 2) She has also received significant press coverage. The three articles I linked to are Sceneandheard.ca, a Canadian online arts magazine; Metro, Toronto's largest free daily; and canoe.ca, the Web portal for Canada's Sun Newspaper chain (in this case, an article from its largest paper, the Toronto Sun). I don't believe this is an exhausive list of her coverage, either, there is more. That's my logic, anyway. I'll respect the decision you make. Happy holidays, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:30, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - if there is an "exhaustive list of her coverage" then adding some {{cite news}} tags from multiple WP:RS publications notable enough to have Wikipedia articles should be no problem ... a link from her employer's site, a Q&A in Metro.ca (not even in the list!), and a passing mention in the Toronto Sun ("depth of coverage is not substantial") do not qualify for purposes of WP:V ... see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aliya-Jasmine Sovani for the deletion of the article on one of her co-hosts ... note that it was also salted to prevent recreation, although some fanboy has tried (see Aylia-Jasmin Sovani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).) —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 21:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why do you feel it necessary to disparge this editor as a "fanboy" and not a fellow Wikipedian with a difference of opinion?Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Because Jamierush (talk · contribs) has been indefinitely blocked for repeated abuse of editing privileges, so I am under no obligation to assume good faith on their behalf, and I do not consider them worthy of my respect. —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 23:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Metro News may not be in "the list!" but I can assure you its a wide-circulation free newspaper in this country, see.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, "wide-circulation" does not necessarily make it a "reliable Source" ... and second, "popularity" is not the same thing as "notability", which is probably why Metro News does not have an article here. —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 22:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For what's worth, it is included as a "commuter daily" in List of media outlets in Toronto#Commuter dailies. I'm not aware of any guideline that disqualifies it as a reliable source. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My bad ... Metro International does, in fact, have an article, so you should make a proper {{cite news}} for the reference, although it's still trivial coverage of the subject. —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 23:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've never used "cite news". I either add things to articles as in-line citations or as external links. I don't believe that invalidates them. Does it? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to MTV Live (Canada). MTV is big in the US but it's a rather minor cable channel in Canada. Reginald Perrin (talk) 22:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Although as the MTV Canada article states, since its acquisition by CTV Globemedia its distribution is expanding dramatically. You anticipated -- and maybe undercut -- my next question, which is that if she was a host on MTV USA instead of MTV Canada, would there be less doubt about whether that represented a prominent role on television? I legitimately don't know the answer -- maybe the answer is no, maybe lots of similarly prominent US cable television personalities have been deleted. I'm just not as sure there's such a qualitative difference between being a cable host on MTV Canada and being one in the US. Anyway, she is already mentioned in the MTV Canada Live article. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. We agree that the TV channel and the TV show meet the notability guidelines, and the other anchors on the MTV Live (Canada) page have their own Wiki pages, so (Q.E.D.) this one should remain. Favor Keep so someone can beef it up. TOJMatt 22:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a convincing argument ... see Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions ... the whole point of this discussion is that there is NOT enough published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject to be able to "beef it up". —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 22:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest, rather, that the whole point of this discussion is that A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards... television personalities... with significant roles per WP:BIO. And that a national host on MTV Canada is, arguably, just such a role. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I believe she meets the television notability requirements of WP:BIO. matt91486 (talk) 23:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Notability is not inherited, right? See also Wikipedia:BIO#Failing_basic_criteria_but_meeting_additional_criteria. --Thin boy 00 @158, i.e. 02:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.