Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devel Motors

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Devel Sixteen. It appears that most of the sources cover the company only in the context of one of its products. Devel Sixteen was redirected here as the result of a poorly attended AfD, but given the new opinions presented below the article will be restored. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:11, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Devel Motors[edit]

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References do not show the notability. fails WP:GNG. Draft is previously declined here and here. However it should be a speedy.GermanKity (talk) 11:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. GermanKity (talk) 11:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. GermanKity (talk) 11:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Google News brings up dozens of results which, although not really deep, show some form of coverage. There are Youtube videos about the cars with >1M views [1][2] and many many discussions on car forums which, interestingly enough, argue that their cars are fake. It might be worth keeping the article just to document their failure. JBchrch talk 14:02, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I do not believe that the company meets the threshold for significant coverage. Most results mention it in the context of the Devel Sixteen, which again has not attracted significant or in-depth coverage of its own. I personally believe they should both be deleted, so feel free to count this as a !vote in that direction, but if the Sixteen is found to be notable than I believe it should be discussed as a subtopic of this article and merged here.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Hopefully the last relist. Apart from nom there's been only one !vote (weak keep) and one more comment.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dr. Universe (talk) 20:44, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means, nothing that relies on company information or announcements or interviews, etc. There is one reference in the article and it fails as a Primary source. JBchrch above says "Google News brings up dozens of results" but fails to link to a single one, and the only ones I can find are based on announcements or fail ORGIND. The YouTube videos are not reliable sources and fail WP:RS (and are blatantly promotional to boot). Since I have been unable to find any "Independent Content" as per ORGIND whatsoever *about the company* which is the topic of this article, topic fails WP:NCORP. Happy to look at this again if someone manages to locate a couple of good references. HighKing⁺⁺ 20:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HighKing: I don’t mind your !vote but one of the two YouTube videos, the French one, cannot be “blatantly promotional” since it actually mocks the brand and their vehicles. Maybe you don’t speak French—and that’s fine—, but in that case you should maybe refrain from using superlatives. JBchrch talk 20:34, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My French is fair enough to follow the discussion, perhaps too poor to tell the difference between being especially "mocking" and their usual style of comedic "reviews" of supercars. I accept I may have got that wrong in this particular review but the main point about YouTube not being a reliable source still stands. Anyway thanks for taking another look. HighKing⁺⁺ 11:19, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - WP:CORPDEPTH concerns are apparent. I found a lot of coverage in reliable sources in English, Spanish, Russian and other languages but nothing in enough detail about the company itself. Almost every time, Devel Motors was simply just named as the company behind Devel Sixteen but with little to no detail about the actual company itself. This is the main concern here. Unless there has been consensus that car manufacturers are not required to pass NCORP (such as how some might apply WP:NMUSIC to music record labels rather than NCORP), I can't see how this article meets the guidelines. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Move to Devel Sixteen. There is quiet a bit of coverage about Devel Sixteen and some about the company. If page is not kept, then it should be renamed to Devel Sixteen instead. I have gone a ahead and improved this article a lot from the initial 2 liner article. There are a lot of in-depth coverage about the Devel Sixteen. These articles have info about the company [3], [4], [5]. Lesliechin1 (talk) 21:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No issues with an article on Devel Sixteen. The sources above only mention the company itself in passing and don't contain any significant analysis of the company so I would still support either deleting Devel Motors or changing it to a redirect to Devel Sixteen. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.