Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis McCallum

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The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 06:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis McCallum[edit]

Non-notable bio. - Philippe | Talk 13:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Almost all of the claims of notability in the article are from primary sources (books the subject authored), and a Google search found very little coverage. Rray (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The author made a good effort to cite sources, but probably didn't fully understand the vitality of third-party sources and notability.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 15:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He's certainly notable as an author. "The Death of Truth" is a very important work on postmodernism, http://www.anchorsawayministries.org/content/Lesson2.5WVStudent.pdf see page 21. "Christianity: The Faith that makes Sense" is an important apologetics work. I cited 4 third party sources in the article. Run a google search on any of his book titles, and you'll see that there's a lot of coverage. I know the book is also cited in other apologetics works, but it's hard to find those with a google search. I think Xenos is also notable in the home church movement, and for being one of the only large churches in America that isn't 90% composed of transfers from other churches.GusChiggins21 (talk) 19:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I ran a search on the author's name and found mostly websites trying to sell his books, which don't indicate notability. I then did a search for "the death of truth" + "dennis mccallum" and got several results, but most of them were sales pages from Amazon and other online bookstores. I see 21 footnotes on the page, but of those, 5 are citations from the author's own books, 9 are from xenos.org (which is the church where the author is the pastor), 2 of the links are from blogs, and 2 are from leaderu.com. I know the references to the author's own books don't establish notability, and I don't think the references to the author's church website demonstrate notability either. Blogs aren't generally considered reliable sources, and I'm unsure about leaderu.com. The Cornerstone article seems like the closest thing to a reliable source listed there, but it doesn't provide major coverage of the author; it provides coverage of one of his books (along with three others).I think saying that he's "certainly" notable might be a bit of an overstatement, since the reliable secondary sources to support that assertion don't seem to exist. I could be mistaken though. Rray (talk) 20:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Found another book review for "Death of Truth", added it to the article under notability as an author. http://www.pfo.org/deth-tru.htm: "This look at the postmodern world view is a book no student of cults or times should pass up." that site also reviewed "Christianity: The Faith that Makes Sense": http://www.pfo.org/maksense.htm. The source is a paid publication, so it's not just some dude's blog. Here's another review of it: http://www.tektonics.org/books/mccalldeathrvw.html#Review. That one is from a pretty big Christian apologetics site. He's cited in a paper here: http://gospelforu.org/discoveries.html, in the bibliography. And another review of "The Death of Truth": http://www.apologetique.org/en/reviews/McCallum_Death_Truth.htm. That site only has a small english section. I know I've seen several of his books cited in other books, but obviously that won't show up in a google search. I'm gonna go through and see if I can find any references. GusChiggins21 (talk) 22:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-notable living person. Possible vanity, COI or promotional issues. Would support the creation of Xenos Christian Fellowship (linked at Xenos (disambiguation)) article if RS could be found. Found one news story [1].--ZayZayEM (talk) 05:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - NN author with no reliable secondary sources. Spawn Man ^{Review Me!} 11:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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