Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delivery Boys

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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:49, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delivery Boys[edit]

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NFILM and I know online sources will be scarce for a film from the 80's combined with such a common title but I can't find anything in print sources either. Praxidicae (talk) 18:40, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:07, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:08, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - non-notable film - Rotten Tomatoes lists no critical or audience reviews - does not meet WP:NFILM or WP:GNG, no "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" - therefore, delete - Epinoia (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:NFILM due to WP:NFO citeria 2, point 1 due to non-trivial (I'd say significant) treatment in two articles published more than 5 years after the film's release: Hip Hop on Film: Performance Culture, Urban Space, and Genre Transformation in the 1980s by Kimberly Monteyne (pub 2013) and Hip Hop in American Cinema by Melvin Donalson (pub 2007) as can be found in Google Books (the mention in the latter book is not part of the Google books preview, but the surrounding text from the search hit shows it's similar to the treatment in the first book I mentioned). - GretLomborg (talk) 17:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Additional source: The film was also reviewed in the major publication Variety (as shown by its review being reprinted in Variety Film Reviews Volume 19: [1]), and likely other pre-digital publications. - GretLomborg (talk) 18:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly do those sources say about this film? Praxidicae (talk) 17:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The first [2] describes the movie as "perhaps the most unique hip hop musical reviewed in this book," includes a photo of the poster, four paragraphs of plot summary and discussion, and refers to the movie in about a half dozen other places throughout the book. The second [3] appears to discuss it on page 20, which is not part of the Google books preview. I also found a newspaper cite for the weird anecdote about the mayoral candidate. Given that all of these are from decades after the movie was released, it's highly likely that there is more non-digitized press coverage contemporaneous with its release. WP:NEXIST applies here. - GretLomborg (talk) 17:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware that there are print sources, I searched in depth in two newspaper archives where I have fully paid access and I got nothing substantial that could save this article. Praxidicae (talk) 19:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ I ran the title through a news archive search with varying keywords ("Ken Handler", "Smantha Fox", "break dancing") and found nothing.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've had better luck with the terms "delivery boys" "marcano" (the lead actor). - GretLomborg (talk) 18:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC).[reply]

withdrawing. The book is SIGCOV. E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:23, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

tied "marcano". still nothing.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing in Google News (but it's incomplete and has a strong recentism bias), and I have the understanding that Google's newspaper archive has serious searching issues. However, there's stuff in Google Books. Do you have access to anything more thorough, like ProQuest or LexisNexis? It was reviewed at least one major newspaper, Variety, so I think the lack of results may be more of a function of database incompleteness than true lack of coverage. - GretLomborg (talk) 19:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was using Proquest newspapers. I should have specified. Newspapers.com often finds stuff Proquest misses.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 23:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:00, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The refererences that GretLomborg has brought to this discussion are adequate to establish notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:20, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:NFILM due to WP:NFO and per remarks of GretLomborg Lubbad85 (☎) 03:30, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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