Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dele Alampasu

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:18, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dele Alampasu[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator on the grounds that he had won the U-20 World Cup. This does not confer notability as WP:NSPORT explicitly excludes youth footballers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:46, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Player has not played in fully professional league, nor played senior international football, so fails NFOOTY. No indication of any other achievements garnering significant reliable coverage to achieve GNG. Fenix down (talk) 10:57, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Meets both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL considering the fact that he was also part of the Super Eagles team that featured in the 2014 African Nations Championship under the head coach Stephen Keshi. Darreg (talk) 12:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Being part of a Country's highest National soccer Team to a FIFA sanctioned tournament used in the monthly FIFA rankings as stated here and here should be enough reason for it to stay. Although he was never fielded for a game in the CHAN but he was still part of the team (23 man squad). A cap in the tournament is counted equivalent to a cap in the World cup according to FIFA. Darreg (talk) 12:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - but as you stated, he never played. Being part of a squad does not confer notability per WP:NFOOTY. Had he been capped that would be fine, but he wasn't, so unless you can provide significatn reliable sources providing non-routine coverage of his career to satisfy GNG then it is difficult to put an argument forward for the article to be kept. Fenix down (talk) 14:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:IMO I just think all players that have represented their countries at the highest level in MAJOR soccer tournaments should be conferred with notability.

Whether he played or not, it does not change the fact that he is an African Nations Cup Bronze winner(3rd place).

Its just like saying that if Roy Hodgson should pick an English under-17 player that have never played in ANY professional league(or game) before to the World Cup (or Euros) and England eventually wins the world cup (or Euros) regardless of the fact that the player in question did not get a single cap does not change the fact that he is a World Cup winner. And being a world cup (or Euro) winner should speak notability. likewise picking the bronze medal in an African Nations Cup should also speak notability.

I would be bringing some reliable citations soon to satisfy GNG more. Darreg (talk) 21:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - you completely miss the point that has been repeatedly made, WP:NFOOTY requires either an appearance in a FULLY professional league or an appearance for the senior international team. Being called up and not featuring does not count. Alampasu, has not represented his country in any tournament, he has merely been in the squad. Your opinion is completely at odds with established consensus. Please also be aware that any other sources to satisfy GNG should not be simply match reports, squad listings and the like as these are considered routine reporting. Fenix down (talk) 06:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: ok noted. I think I understand your point better now Darreg (talk) 07:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment No problem. If you can find interview, articles on the player specifically, or other such sources, please link them in this discussion. I am happy to change my vote if you can show that he has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. Fenix down (talk) 09:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. JMHamo (talk) 13:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: @JMHamo:@GiantSnowman: Here is a biographical article on the subject Here is a comprehensive interview with the subject by an independent source and here contains a press statement from FIFA inviting him to Zurich for an event. If I may add he is also a National honour recipient. I believe that this cadet soccer player has significant coverage that passes GNG. Darreg (talk) 07:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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