Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of the Bytyqi brothers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No prejudice towards a merge discussion. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:31, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Death of the Bytyqi brothers[edit]

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A largely unnotable, albeit tragic case. As dozens of similar cases occurred during the war, the article fails Wikipedia:Notability. Within the first few weeks of their arrival, this BBC article says that as many as 16 Albanian American volunteers were killed in Kosovo. If so many were being killed then what makes these 3 so special in the wider context of the war? 23 editor (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 July 16. Snotbot t • c » 22:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Notability argument does not support deletion in case of the topic of this article because it actually is notable because it "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Three USA citizens have been killed. USA government, directly or through its embassy in Belgrade, put significant efforts into this case. The BBC article does not say that all 16 volunteers killed in Kosovo were Albanian Americans. On the contrary, it emphasizes that "Ethnic Albanians are leaving their jobs across Europe and the United States to return to their homeland." Even if the other 13 came from USA they were probably not USA citizens, otherwise USA government would deal with them too.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with you. Not every incident in which US citizens are killed merits a Wikipedia article. 23 editor (talk) 13:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I based my position on the "significant coverage in reliable sources" not on the citizenship of the victims which is only an explanation for the coverage. In order to make it clear I will strike trough part of my comment. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I failed to see why death of 3 USA citizens is more important than death of any other citizen from some other country. Also, i agree that notability of this is questionable. It may be a subject in some other article, but i do not think it deserves a separate article as it is. --WhiteWriter^speaks 14:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was thinking we include some of its content in articles like War crimes in the Kosovo War. Thoughts? 23 editor (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be more then ok! --WhiteWriter^speaks 20:23, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Summarize and merge content into War crimes in the Kosovo War. The Bytyqi brothers are themselves unnotable, but the crime is worthy of inclusion in the appropriate article.--Zoupan 11:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Indeed notability argument does not support deletion in case of the topic of this article because it actually is notable because it "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". --BabbaQ (talk) 18:42, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to War crimes in the Kosovo War per 23 editor. While certainly tragic, subject does not seem to have received the persistent coverage required for a standalone article. Miniapolis 13:15, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone 01:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 08:50, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; there has been substantial coverage by independent sources. I agree that may others were killed by Serb forces, and look forward to 23 editor improving content on other killings rather than selectively removing it. bobrayner (talk) 19:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.