Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Kyal Sin

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The result was keep. Mojo Hand (talk) 14:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Kyal Sin[edit]

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2 times PRODed and DEPRODed, Obvious WP:BLP1E, article was renamed from her name to "Death of" to suggest more notability, so bad the fate it remains a BLP1E CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Myanmar-related deletion discussions. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Girth Summit: only for your info, one out of a bunch since yesterday, as discussed. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think BLP1E only applies to articles about individuals. Since this is an article about a death, I don’t think it qualifies. Regardless, do you think this violates WP:NOTNEWS? Foxnpichu (talk) 22:38, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Foxnpichu, BLP1E also applies to recent deaths. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:43, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This indeed does violate WP:NOTNEWS in my opinion. Since this article is about somebody who died during protests, I do not think it passes. A new page should be made about her entire life. R3alPTg (talk) 13:49, 8 March 2021 (MMT)
Keep per WP:VICTIM as The victim or person wrongly convicted, consistent with Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Subjects notable only for one event, had a large role within a well-documented historic event. The historic significance is indicated by persistent coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources that devote significant attention to the individual's role. or The victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure. Pls don't use AfD as a weapon. Thanks Taung Tan (talk) 11:49, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The event is significant and covered by many sources. Brave Kyal Sin is worth to be remembered. --Lt2818 (talk) 14:13, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The nomination seems confused; the page was only prodded once. And that was once too many as the prod process is only for "uncontroversial deletion". The subject is actually quite notable, being the subject of worldwide coverage such as From first vote to bullet in the head ...Kyal Sin has become a symbol of resistance for a younger generation defying military rule and She is a hero.... Andrew🐉(talk) 15:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Not sure why the article is nominated for deletion. This article satisfies the criteria for WP:VICTIM and WP:ONEEVENT under WP:BIO. For better understanding of WP:1E or WP:ONEEVENT, consider the examples of wiki page for Rodney King or George Floyd under the same criteria. Even a better example is that of Shooting of David McAtee, David McAtee died during the protest of George Floyd killing. For notability, the current subject not only has wide coverage in international media but also in local media of many countries in the world. BBC and New York Post has covered it in Myanmar coup and Grave of respectively. -Kaisernahid (talk) 19:57, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the defense, but the others have few good points that I was already considering when making my previous comment. Keep. Foxnpichu (talk) 21:32, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per argued for above. Although, I appreciate if the protest article is edited to necessitate a standalone article. At the moment, the content in the protest article about Kyal Sin is almost a copy of this article (or is it the other way round? either way...). – robertsky (talk) 20:25, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I want to note that this is basically similar to the Mya Thwe Thwe Khine case where a woman was used as a symbol for protests, and the previous article was merged before being recreated again. While this is not as notable as the previous case, however, WP:BIO1E may apply to this case. Mario Jump 83! 02:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per above, i agree that the article satisfies the criteria for WP:VICTIM --Kemalcan (talk) 09:01, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't know why there is some efforts to delete the deaths occured during Myanmar protests. It is well-covered by media, and even in Asian news such as "JTBC" in South Korea as "[1]" or "[2]" -- Wendylove (talk) 19:43, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I think because they believe that these deaths are not notable due to strict interpretation of WP:BLP1E, and also setting the notability bar too high. Mario Jump 83! 02:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - MarioJump83, you have to see the development of those articles - they were all started as Martyr BIOs of clear WP:BLP1E and after recognising this directly after nominating them for deletion they were "converted" into WP:VICTIM articles. What worries me more is why there is so much effort to keep them. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - CommanderWaterford, that's understandable and fair. Though, to be honest, the main article on the protests is getting larger, FAST. I think merger of these articles into an one article, Casualties of 2021 Myanmar protests can be acceptable as an another solution to get this to end. Mario Jump 83! 10:00, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - MarioJump83, I can assure you that I am fine with any result of this AfD Discussion, I have absolutely no personal feelings. BTW: Editor Taung Tan took this a couple of minutes ago to WP:ANI. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        CommanderWaterford, I don't want to involve myself in ANI proceedings during this time. Mario Jump 83! 12:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I don't know guys. How about we create an article about Casualties of 2021 Myanmar protests and put everyone in there? Halskw (talk) 03:51, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Halskw, I don't think it is necessary. Not every casualty is notable, and even so may not be specifically due to the protests but the larger coup progression. These notable BLPs are also likely be categorised accordingly, eventually anyway. – robertsky (talk) 07:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Robertsky, Halskw for your courtesy: This discussion is part of a Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#REFUSING_TO_DISCUSS discussion Editor Taung Tan initiated (sigh...). CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It has gained international attention. The death is notable. Sun8908 _Talk 14:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While her death is very unfortunate, it should be kept in the deaths section of the protests. There’s no reason why it should be up there, as no major news channels aren’t talking about her death. The people who are voting to keep, are being bias. 65.128.175.162 (talk) 03:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)— 65.128.175.162 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Strong keep; Her death further intensified the protests and provided a morale boost to the protests. Her death also made headlines around the world even more so than the protests' first death, and its attention has been particularly prominent in social media networks outside Myanmar. – Azurevanilla ash (talk) 14:07, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. VocalIndia (talk) 15:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.