Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Gulasi

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sulfurboy (talk) 02:01, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

David Gulasi[edit]

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run of the mill Vlogger MistyGraceWhite (talk) 01:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@MistyGraceWhite: In which way is he run of the mill? Under which standard?

WP:GNG states: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list."

Wikipedia:Notability (people) also states: "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."

You have at least two articles which follow this standard from at least two different publications (Shanghai Daily a.k.a. Shine and The Australian) from two different countries.

Vloggers in foreign countries are not as common, and part of why he's well-noted in China is that he's a foreigner.

WhisperToMe (talk) 04:18, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@User:WhisperToMe a couple of articles are not enough for an article on wikipedia. Significant coverage is needed. WP:NOTNEWS. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 08:12, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Misty, Wikipedia:Significant coverage "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." - These articles do that. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:55, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - WhisperToMe has adequately explained the notability and the sourcing is fine in the context. This is not the first uninsightful nomination by this not-long-established editor. Ingratis (talk) 12:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Ingratis soaccording to you, 2 articles are enough for him to pass GNG? MistyGraceWhite (talk) 14:42, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It all depends on context and here I think so, for now: bear in mind the possibility of others coming to light later, as per WP:NEXIST. I notice in another of your nominations you implied that 70 references were not enough... Ingratis (talk) 15:27, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Ingratis please discuss each AFd on its relevant page. I asked if your opinion was that 2 articles are enough, you have made it clear that you think so. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 15:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The other AfD goes to indicate that you apparently have a flawed grasp of GNG, which is what's also at issue here, so it's relevant. Also, other editors are not limited to answering your direct questions! Ingratis (talk) 23:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Misty, WP:GNG states: "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." I presume that means at least two. Also the South China Morning Post has a source discussing Gulasi in particular, and it covers the subject in detail even though he's not the only foreigner covered: "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." WhisperToMe (talk) 16:19, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I just received the full article from The Australian! If you want a copy, please e-mail me. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is a full copy of The Australian source from Gale:
Callick, Rowan (2017-09-02). "How 'bit of a clown' became a Chinese megastar". The Australian. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27 – via Gale.
Cunard (talk) 04:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

Callick, Rowan (2017-09-02). "How 'bit of a clown' became a Chinese megastar". The Australian. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27 – via Gale.
"Australian teacher finds unexpected online fame in China". China.com. Xinhua News Agency. 2016-06-12. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27.
"David Gulasi". Shanghai Daily. 2016-03-13. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27.
"【我们的故事】萌叔大卫老师：来自澳洲却满嘴内蒙方言的搞笑网红" [[Our Stories] Uncle David: A funny internet celebrity from Australia who is full of Mongolian dialect] (in Chinese). Special Broadcasting Service. 2020-01-02. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27.
Hamilton, Clive (2019-07-27). "High-Stakes Politics of Gold". The Daily Telegraph. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27 – via Gale.
Liu, Coco (2017-08-21). "How expats are cashing in on China's internet celebrity boom". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2017-08-30. Retrieved 2020-04-27.

Sources with quotes

Callick, Rowan (2017-09-02). "How 'bit of a clown' became a Chinese megastar". The Australian. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27 – via Gale.
The article notes:
David Gulasi grew up in a Turkish family in western Sydney, came to China for adventure, and found it in spades.
He also found fame, becoming by far the best-known Australian in the country, with eight million online followers. And fortune, with advertising space on his video posts selling for $75,000 a hit. And love, marrying Mongolian-Chinese woman Sammy. They have a daughter, Aria, 4, who Gulasi wants educated in Australia.
He has become one of China's most successful opinion leaders, whose faces and voices are crucial in marketing campaigns.
His main online platform, Sina Weibo, presents him alongside its homegrown Chinese blogging stars in theatres across China, where they are routinely mobbed.
This week he has been meeting some of his scores of thousands of fans in Melbourne and Sydney - all Chinese, mostly in their 20s - where he is regularly stopped on the street by followers.
Now aged 34, he dabbled in comedy, graduated in computer studies from the University of Sydney, worked in sales, and then eight years ago answered an ad to teach English in China.
"Australian teacher finds unexpected online fame in China". China.com. Xinhua News Agency. 2016-06-12. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27.
The article notes:
When David Gulasi decided to leave Sydney for a teaching position in China more than five years ago, he never imagined that he would become an online celebrity.
More than 730,000 followers track his Weibo account and his videos have accrued thousands upon thousands of likes.
Gulasi, 33, accepted a teaching role in Hohhot in North China's Inner Mongolia autonomous region in 2010, and hasn't looked back since. "I was supposed to be here for only three months," Gulasi said.
He is now the managing director of the New World Language School in the region, and while he is popular with his own students, his viral videos on social media platform Weibo, have attracted attention from across the nation.
"David Gulasi". Shanghai Daily. 2016-03-13. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27.
The article notes:
ON Weibo, one of the biggest Chinese social media sites, the video of a man correcting people’s English recently resulted in more than 71,100 reblogs, 27,400 comments and 29,880 “likes.”
The uploader of the video was David Gulasi, an Australian native and president of the New World Language Training School in Hohhot, capital of the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region.
In the video that catapulted Gulasi to the attention of Chinese netizens, he explained how Chinese students frequently misuse the word “play,” invoking it when they really mean “to hang out” with someone.
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The video also opened new doors for him. BTV, a local Beijing television network, asked him to co-host an English-language show with another expat, starting this month.
Gulasi said he left a career in Mediterranean cuisine seven years ago and came to China seeking new adventure.
"【我们的故事】萌叔大卫老师：来自澳洲却满嘴内蒙方言的搞笑网红" [[Our Stories] Uncle David: A funny internet celebrity from Australia who is full of Mongolian dialect] (in Chinese). Special Broadcasting Service. 2020-01-02. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27.
The article notes:
他名叫大卫·古拉斯（David Gulasi），网名“萌叔大卫老师”。他在中国居住已有近10年，在内蒙古呼和浩特市开办一所英语培训学校。
他说，最初他去中国只是趁着假期打工度假，做一年外教顺便吃喝玩乐，没想过留在中国。
甚至他来到呼和浩特都纯属缘分。原本中介公司安排大卫到东北，可到了之后大卫却发现招他当外教的学校在内蒙。
From Google Translate:
His name is David Gulasi, and his online name is "Meng Uncle David Teacher". He has lived in China for nearly 10 years and opened an English training school in Hohhot, Inner Mongolia.
He said that at first he went to China just to take advantage of the holiday to work and vacation, to be a foreign teacher for a year, and to eat, drink and have fun, never thought of staying in China.
Even his arrival in Hohhot was pure fate. The intermediary company originally arranged for David to go to the northeast, but when he arrived, David found that the school that recruited him as a foreign teacher was in Inner Mongolia.
Hamilton, Clive (2019-07-27). "High-Stakes Politics of Gold". The Daily Telegraph. Archived from the original on 2020-04-27. Retrieved 2020-04-27 – via Gale.
The article notes:
This time the attacks have been led by an Australian in China. School principal David Gulasi, who has 1.7 million Chinese followers, has called Horton an "idiot", telling his followers to "kick his arse".
Now Gulasi's followers are sending out images showing a trussed up, kneeling Horton about to be beheaded by a sword-wielding terrorist.
Liu, Coco (2017-08-21). "How expats are cashing in on China's internet celebrity boom". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2017-08-30. Retrieved 2020-04-27.
The article notes:
Take David Gulasi, the founder of an English education centre in Inner Mongolia, as a case in point. His profession might not seem an obvious platform to fame and fortune, but he has already managed to accumulate 5 million followers on social media platform Weibo – China’s answer to Facebook and Twitter – by sharing the funny moments he has experienced in his day job.
The Australian former standup comedian, 34, shot to fame by accident when he posted a comical video about a misunderstanding he had with two male students, who had invited him to their house “to play together”.
...
With his international background, videos spoken in English, and an alternative world view, Gulasi’s profile has attracted Chinese millennials, a group many firms are eager to serve. Gulasi now sells advertising space on his Weibo page for as much as US$60,000, and is so popular he can afford to reject sponsored content that he does not agree with.

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow David Gulasi to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

Cunard (talk) 04:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per the above WhisperToMe (talk) 06:33, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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