Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark at Dawn

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that Chubbles's rationale is enough for establishing notability. I don't expect anything further coming from this AfD if I don't close it. (non-admin closure) wumbolo ^^^ 19:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dark at Dawn[edit]

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Fails WP:NBAND. No hits, no national tours, no major record label, no reliable sources Rogermx (talk) 15:00, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 16:35, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 16:35, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The band released two albums on a noteworthy label, AFM, and have received attention in the press in their native land - see the band's biography on laut.de, which is linked on their much better-fleshed-out German wiki page. The English article has previously been subject to cycles of substubbing by other editors suspicious of its notability, which explains its impoverished current status. Chubbles (talk) 18:52, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Given the longevity of the band and number of albums released, there will almost certainly be more coverage than can be found from a Google search. There's one review at Allmusic, but metal bands often have more in metal-specific print sources than can be found in reliable online sources. --Michig (talk) 21:00, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:11, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:51, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete little evidence of notability, but I don't know german, and the dewiki page has significantly more content, so there may be other references that aren't in english or aren't online --DannyS712 (talk) 10:29, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete on account of subject failing WP:NBAND. The German-language entry is equally badly sourced, with mostly self-references. But I guess we can do little about that. -The Gnome (talk) 14:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 00:41, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the last two commenters have both said the group lacks notability, but...the group doesn't lack notability. They recorded for AFM Records, one of Germany's biggest metal labels. They have an extensive profile on laut.de (biography, album review), a German music information and review site approximately equivalent to Allmusic in English. I don't know the German metal press all that well, but they have been extensively reviewed in it: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. Chubbles (talk) 12:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Chubbles. We shouldn't be so quick to ignore non-EN sourcing. FOARP (talk) 13:49, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- If we can't understand the sources, how do we know if they meet the requirements for notability? Just asking. Rogermx (talk) 17:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Laut.de confirms (here and here) that they released two albums on AFM. That verifies (from an independent source) that the group released two albums on a noteworthy indie label, which establishes, at minimum, that the group reaches the threshold of WP:MUSIC. The rest of the reviews, ultimately, are icing on the cake. So I think the case can be made here even without knowing a lick of German nor anything about Teutonic metal publications. Chubbles (talk) 21:41, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.