Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dana LaCroix

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dana LaCroix[edit]

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Delete. WP:BLP, with some advertorial overtones, of a musician with no strong claim of notability under WP:NMUSIC and no reliable source coverage to support it -- except for two articles in smalltown community newspapers that aren't widely distributed enough to count as WP:GNG-conferring coverage, the referencing here is otherwise entirely to YouTube videos, blogs, directories like discogs.com and performance listings on the primary source websites of the venues where she played. As always, Wikipedia is not a free PR platform where every musician is automatically entitled to an article just because she exists -- but what's shown here is not the kind of sourcing it takes to get her over the inclusion bar. Bearcat (talk) 21:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Hi I am the orginal poster of the article. I dont really know how to use this discussion function, so am editing here, hope that's ok. I'm trying to figure this out. I see many noteworthy achievements here, beyond local reviews but have been unsure how to cite them. I have followed LaCroix's career for years. Her first release was chosen as a top-12 by The Performing Songwriter Magazine out of Nashville, the premier songwriters magazine in the country at the time, but this was before the internet - I think 1995. The mag is now defunkt and I can't find the issue in their online archives. The only thing I have is a hard-copy clipping in a drawer somewhere. Also when I lived in Canada she was featured twice on a National TV program called Morningside, once with the late Peter Gzowsky, a legendary Canadian journalist who did a piece on her family, and the arts influences she grew up. A few years later, journalist Avril Benoit did a follow up piece on cbc national about LaCroix's debut cd and her writing influences. it was interesting to hear about how her artistic style has developed, and then watching songs from that record get picked up by The Performing Songwriter, got her invited to the second largest folk festival in Europe (MIdtfyns) get picked up by Nils Winding Refn in Europe for his feature film, Fear X. But how do you cite that kind of thing? Midtfyns festival posters were all hard copy and they are long gone by now. The only place I can find her credits on the John Turturro movie are at the end trailer. Is there away to post that? Her early connection to the Mamas and the Papas and the grassroots music she learned is something that's been really exciting to watch and hear as its developed over the years and I think the journalists who interview and review her feel that her contribution is significant. But the review clippings I have are, again, all hard copy. Artie Lange was interested in her longevity, her background and her sound and he, like a lot of other journalists whose reviews I've read feel that she is contributing something exciting to roots music. But again, I dont' know how to cite a tv interview, so I just posted the video. Was that the wrong thing to do? LaCroix is like a lot of artists who have had long, slow simmering careers and have done notable things through the 90s and 2000s. But Internet citations from those times are almost non-existent, so what is the best way to compose and cite an article about them? The only documents I have of such artists, many of whom I believe are some of the most interesting grassroots artists we've seen, are press clippings, recordings of interviews and sometimes copies of playlists. Does that mean those artists can't get written about on Wikipedia? I think it would be a shame. Many of these artists are as notable or more so than some I see posted here on Wikipedia, but they don't carry a wealth of online evidence because of their vintage. Is there a way to cite these kinds of things that I don't understand how to do? How can I get these artists up and make them stick? Can I photo copy scan and attach documents that I've pulled from defunkt magazines? Please help! Lovintheroots

We don't actually have a requirement that the sources be available online. We certainly like to provide a convenience link to a web-available copy of the source if one is available — but that is in no way a requirement that a source has to meet in order to be a valid one. You can source to print-only content like books, magazine or newspaper articles — so long as you provide the complete citation details (title of the article, name of the publication, etc.) so that somebody who wants to see the original content can locate it if they need to, the reference does not have to link to a web page and you don't have to post image scans. So if you've got newspaper or magazine articles, or books, that can bolster her notability better than has been shown so far, then by all means bring it on. Bearcat (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I removed the discogs references and added three reviews from Denmark and some local coverage.—Anne Delong (talk) 17:45, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - she passes WP:MUSICBIO due to touring Canada, United States, and Denmark. Bearian (talk) 21:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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