Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dagiero Dagiero

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dagiero Dagiero[edit]

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Not a notable athlete. Unable to find SIGCOV in reliable sources. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 20:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, and Oceania. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 20:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Ran as fast as a reasonably fast 14 year-old boy, had a quota entry to the World Championships, but a lack of athletic achievements means a lack of significant in-depth coverage. Should ideally be redirected to Nauru at the World Championships in Athletics, whence the useless Nauru at the 2015 World Championships in Athletics should ideally be merged. Geschichte (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am unable to find much coverage at all, which is understandable considering his athletic achievements (or lack thereof). JTtheOG (talk) 05:55, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, thank you for nominating this article because it allows us to improve it together. This article was mistakenly AfD'ed based on a misunderstanding of the sources used. In Special:Diff/1192007359, User:InvadingInvader tagged and later removed the Fiji Sun reference in the article referring to WP:RSP. However, WP:RSP does not mention The Fiji Sun at all -- the only similar entry is for WP:THESUN, which specifically notes it only applies to the UK Sun and not to the separate newspaper The Fiji Sun. Unless a decision specifically about The Fiji Sun is made at WP:RSP, I don't think it was appropriate to remove that source while an AfD is being made specifically about lack of sources. Thank you, --Habst (talk) 14:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Sun is still a tabloid. Because they have very similar logos and editorial styles, the UK Sun, US Sun, and Fiji Sun should be treated as one and the same. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:22, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@InvadingInvader, thank you for your response. That may be your opinion, but it is not the opinion of the Wikipedia community at WP:RSP. If that was applicable, the entry at WP:THESUN would say "The Sun (all editions)" or just "The Sun" instead of specifically "The Sun (UK)" as it does. Looking at the discussion, it seems like The Fiji Sun was never mentioned at all as it is a separate newspaper, so claims about that paper need to be made on their own merits instead of by association with the UK Sun. --Habst (talk) 14:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If The Sun has been marked as unreliable, let alone deprecated, it is reasonable to assume that all editions of The Sun are not to be trusted. In this case, we don't AGF on sources. If a source is contested, as I am now, especially on a BLP article, don't include it. Per BLP, be very firm on the usage of high quality sources. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@InvadingInvader, it is one thing to assume that all newspapers named The Sun are not to be trusted if WP:THESUN just said "The Sun", but it doesn't say that -- it says "The Sun (UK)" specifically, and it excludes fijisun.com.fj from its list of affected domains to search for in the rightmost column. What is your rationale for contesting The Fiji Sun? Looking at the home page, it appears to be mainly local news and not sensationalist or inaccurate coverage. Compare with the UK Sun's home page. --Habst (talk) 14:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you verify the stories' accuracy? Perhaps cross-referencing in other Fijian papers? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:46, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@InvadingInvader, thank you for scrutinizing our sources because it's important to use reliable citations. I couldn't find any contradictory or false information in any of the stories from my overview. I honestly do not think that The Fiji Sun is comparable to the UK Sun in terms of sensationalist coverage. --Habst (talk) 14:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And furthermore why does he deserve to have his article not deleted? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@InvadingInvader, this article would deserve to be kept if there are reliable sources discussing the subject. I don't think it was the correct decision to remove a source discussing the subject from the article, while a deletion discussion is ongoing about sources. --Habst (talk) 14:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you find any other SIGCOV that doesn't come from a tabloid? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@InvadingInvader, thank you for responding. The goal of a deletion discussion should be to find coverage. Often times mentions in other articles can be a jumping off point to find that coverage, which is why I don't think it was appropriate to remove the Fiji Sun article, which I would not classify as tabloid journalism. --Habst (talk) 14:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any other SIGCOV you can find? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting but this discussion may be ended before the coming week is over. Additional sources could change the balance of this discussion but given the hundreds of other AFDs I've seen on athletes and sportspeople over the past three years, this is not looking promising.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Zero coverage that I can see here. The Fiji Sun article has a trivial namedrop in a list, it contributes nothing.

JoelleJay (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay, thank you for responding. I found another non-database source which I added to the page, which covers Dagiero and confirms at least one fact in the article. I don't know Czech, so maybe there is more to be found on that website? What do you think about the new source? --Habst (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new source also contains a trivial passing mention. He does not appear in any other IDNES articles. JoelleJay (talk) 02:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, there is insufficient coverage that is significant in multiple sources that are considered reliable by Wikipedia standards. Daniel (talk) 22:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.