Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Curt Wahl

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Our first concern is WP:V, but the general opinion here is that we meet that. On the other hand, there's reasonable agreement that we don't meet WP:N. During the AfD, there was massive cleanup to the article, to the point that what's left isn't much more than a stub. A good evaluation of this is hindered by the difficulty of finding English-language sources. So, I'm going to call this delete, but with no prejudice against somebody writing a new version, with better sourcing. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:17, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Curt Wahl[edit]

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Completely non notable, this looks to be made up. A search for him turns up with absolutely nothing. An article about this guy turned up at dewiki, at around the same time. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 02:43, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1st : Notability Guidelines :

Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals: The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.

2nd : he is to be found allready in the German WIkipedia

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Wahl (with references to his Position) and weblinks

3rd : sources to his appointment and Positions at Landestheater Coburg (State Theatre of Coburg) :

External Sources (Bavarian Bbliography / Bayerische Bibliographie):

Deutsches Bühnen-Jahrbuch, Bd. 77, Druck und Kommissionsverlag F.A. Günther & Sohn, 1968. S. 250. Curt Wahl zum 65. Geburtstag. Neue Presse, 16. Dezember 1968, S. 8. (Coburg Newspaper) Hans Hinterleitner: Br. Carl Wahl i. D. e. O. In: Die Bruderschaft, Nr. 11/1972. (Regarding Freemasonery) Mykenae Theater-Korrespondenz, Band 18,Ausgaben 1-15, Mykenae-Verlag J. Bauer KG, 1967 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altre83 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Before inciting a ugly Edit -War, one should look at the Country Based References (here in Germany and German) and maybe also consult Google Books (Digitalisates)...and one will get insight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altre83 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.bayerische-bibliographie.de/cgi-bin/avanti/byb/detailsuche.pl?db=bybopac&searchmode=normal&max_dspl=200&index_zeilen=15&printapr=DEFAULT&register1=PER&suchwert1=Wahl%2C%20Curt&trunkiert1= — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altre83 (talk • contribs) 02:52, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:28, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Theatre-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:28, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:28, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have searched in German, and I still don't see enough. I could be wrong, though, I don't speak German very well. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 17:39, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See the Links , Publications and also the Newspaper Articles of that particular Time. It fulfills fully the Notability Criteria alone because of the numerous Public appearances on the Theatre Stage and as Director of Plays. Moreover 31 years Head (Administrative Director and Vice Theatre Director, with full managerial Authority and Financial Authority) of a State Theatre in Germany (Governmental Position, Free State of Bavaria) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.174.2.47 (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This is a whole-scale mess of poor formatting, trivia, and over-linking. It needs a lot of work if it is to be kept. Bearian (talk) 20:25, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:43, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. This looks messy. Not sure if this is a hoax, the subject name does appear in [1], but I don't see anything in the Google Books. If this is not a hoax, I have a feeling this is a biography written by family member, using poor sources, so WP:OR. Unless a German-speaker can find us some sources, I think this is such a mess that it merits WP:TNT. Also, the author of this is advised to read guides on, well, writing. We have some, see Wikipedia:Writing better articles. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
CommentDoes not seem a hoax as it survived the deWiki version of AFD (de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/28._Oktober_2016#Curt_Wahl_.28LAE.29) Problem is this being pre-internet it will be difficult to assess. If it where 50 years older I would go a blind keep on this, but the position/ancestry did not count as much in the post war time. Google Book search does produce references, but I thinks those are trivial mentions due to his position. Getting a look at his publications might help to assess if he qualifies as an author. Agathoclea (talk) 14:16, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:50, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

comment Doesn't appear to be a hoax. Google turns up just enough to show he existed, not enough to show notability. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 23:15, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I trust the deWP notability standards for people in its language area. They are generally more restrictive than the enWP, The references in that article are sufficient to show notability DGG ( talk ) 19:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete References, to the extent they are significant, seem to be to relatively WP:ROUTINE coverage of a administrator of a regional theater. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:21, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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