Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural racism

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural racism[edit]

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Violates WP:SYNTH.

Similarly Cultural racism in the United States (also nominated) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 03:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into racism where different types of racism is already covered. // Liftarn (talk) 11:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep. The racism article is already too long, and the topic and term certainly exist. There are thousands of links proving this (1, 2, 4, 4) and it is explicitly not a synth(5) FonsScientiae (talk) 16:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as a fork. Racism may need sub-pages to reduce size, but this isn't it. Carrite (talk) 17:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "A content fork is the creation of multiple separate articles all treating the same subject." (Wikipedia:Content forking). That is certainly not the case here, the Racism article has a much broader scope and doesn't talk explicitly about Cultural racism (which is a subtype of racism). FonsScientiae (talk) 12:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But is it an encyclopedic topic in its own right? Or an attempt to bend the concept of racism in a novel way? I'd argue the latter. Carrite (talk) 04:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While it is an encyclopedic topic in it's own the article as it is now is a bit thin so it can be merged into the main article and branched off if it swells too much. As a concept it is not new even if the name is new. Actually much "old" racism is actually cultural racism. // Liftarn (talk)

Merge into racism - see Liftarn. The bibliography, which seems to hold most value, may be dumped into Bibliography of cultural racism. →Yaniv256^talk_contribs 04:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - a review of the literature available online shows the notion is not universally accepted. Such a minority view should be discussed in the body of the article on racism and written from scratch in collaboration with the editors of that article. Jason from nyc (talk) 15:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or slight merge Most of the sources, for example Helms, is about racism itself or as the book title says – black and white racial relations and cultural racism is only mentioned briefly. It doesn't seem like it can construct an article on its own, but it may be mentioned in the racism article. --Pudeo ' 21:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know what you find offensive about the topic, but please provide a Wikipedia policy per which the article has reason to be deleted. As it has been discussed it is not WP:SYNTH and WP:FORK. Even if you haven't heard about the topic or find it strange, I can assure you that it has been around the academia for a long time, and as Liftarn mentioned it is actually one of the oldest forms of racism, which has relatively recent name. Merging may be justified, I just don't want the racism article to grow enormous. FonsScientiae (talk) 11:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 20:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheSpecialUser ^TSU 00:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't see how there could be non-cultural racism. Kitfoxxe (talk) 05:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article contradicts itself. It starts by saying that "cultural racism" includes that idea that the cultures created by certain races (i.e. ones own) are better than those of other races. That sounds like a reasonable definition. However all the examples are about something else. Mainly racist stereotypes being transmitted by cultural elements, especially (in the article) movies and TV. As Kitfoxxe just said, how else is racism going to be transmitted except by culture? We are not born with it. Borock (talk) 15:27, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Merging with racism or deleting the article altogether seem okay, but the topic doesn't seem to completely lack notability. Cultural racism is an idea that makes quite a bit of sense to me– when state-sponsored racism, such as that in Nazi Germany, seeps into the populace itself so that it is widely embraced, cultural racism could be claimed to have occurred. Perhaps one could use distrust/racism directed at persons of Jewish faith or origin as an example of cultural racism, as throughout (relatively recent) history that discrimination has become accepted in some cases by many non-Jews. dci | TALK 22:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense to me too. But you would have to find sources that explain it this way. Borock (talk) 21:44, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.