Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Convergence Festival

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No prejudice against renomination. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Convergence Festival[edit]

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As per several previous PRODs, there is no indication that the subject here meets WP:GNG, WP:NBUSINESS, WP:NEVENT or any other applicable notability criteria. The available references barely support the content, not to mind establish the notability of this event as anything other than a run-of-the-mill conference. In terms of GNG, for example, a search of the Irish Times (newspaper of record in Ireland) returns a few passing mentions. In "events on in Dublin this weekend" type articles. Seemingly nothing substantive where the subject is the primary topic. COI/PROMO/VER issues also a substantive concern. Guliolopez (talk) 13:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I was only able to find one source that looked independent of the festival that had any shred of reliability. It's just a short interview. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:57, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my PROD rationale which was "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies)/Wikipedia:Notability (events) requirements. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. " --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:21, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - With a few minutes searching I have added several reputable sources including the Irish Times. This appears to be a reputable, and, according to one source, the longest running, cultural festival in Ireland and also appears to be notable. A little more searching and little more assiduous application of WP:BEFORE might be called for. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 21:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Velella, Unfortunately, your best source (Irish Times) fails WP:SIGCOV. It's a WP:INTERVIEW with the organizer of an event 'Being Human' that takes place there, and the article focuses on that sub-event. The main festival is just mentioned in passing as the host of this subevent. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:53, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Velella. Normally I don't feel the need to respond to AfD contributions which just happen to deviate from my own. But, to confirm, WP:BEFORE was absolutely undertaken. As part of that exercise I found the various listings, promotional webpages and passing mentions that you refer to. They do not contribute to notability. If you feel that they do, then that is fine. But there can be no suggestion that WP:BEFORE was not undertaken. Separately you suggest that the subject is notable because it is "the longest running cultural festival in Ireland". No source makes any such claim. If they did, it would be transparently fallacious nonsense. Guliolopez (talk) 16:59, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - you mean that this and this, just as a quick grab, are wrong, or false? You may also note that I made no assertion that BEFORE was not undertaken. What I said was " little more assiduous application of WP:BEFORE might be called for". This acknowledges past effort but suggests a little more might be of benefit . I remain of that view. I very rarely re-visit AfDs in which I have commented, but a direct ping suggested that a response was required. I have made my position amply clear. I don't expect to need to contribute further. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 17:13, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for your note. Apologies if I misread your comment on WP:BEFORE. But "nom didn't undertake WP:BEFORE" and "nom didn't assiduously undertake WP:BEFORE" is somewhat of trifling distinction. In terms of the links you provide (incl the subject's own website), and while you perhaps mistyped your original comment, neither makes the claim you included in your !vote comment. About the subject being the "longest running, cultural festival in Ireland". Both speak to it perhaps being the "longest running sustainable living festival". Which, in addition to being a different proposition, is unqualified. Being the "first X" (and for all we know "only X") doesn't establish notability. Anyway, I've broken my own WP:BLUDGEON threshold here already, so will shut up now. Thanks for your contributions and time in this discussion. This is exactly why I opened the thread. To capture input and establish whether/where any consensus might lie. Much appreciated. Guliolopez (talk) 17:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:18, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 14:41, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.