Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Computer Jagat (magazine)

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The result was no consensus. This has been relisted thrice already, so no point in relisting again. There appears to be no consensus regarding the amount of coverage or cultural impact the magazine carries. There is no compelling evidence either way. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Computer Jagat (magazine)[edit]

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (periodicals) and WP:GNG too. ~Moheen ^{(keep talking)} 13:30, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 14:00, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 14:00, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:15, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:15, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Computer Jagat is a notable monthly magazine in Bangladesh since 1991. — Masum Ibn Musa ^Conversation 03:24, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:16, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Masum Ibn Musa, can you prove that the subject is notable? Remember that notability requires significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it has been covered by reliable sources, the magazine also frequently collaborate with the government of Bangladesh holding ICT fairs including one in London. It has also been cited by a number of books.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:51, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Apart from mentions and name-drops, none of the sources have in-depth coverage. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 11:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe (talk) 11:49, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It has reliable sources Heshiv (talk) 06:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I don't find the "keep" !votes very convincing and would like to see which source discusses this magazine more than just in-passing. The sources currently listed in the article are absolutely insufficient to establish notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 15:42, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- While none of the sources individually show in-depth coverage but collectively they show that reliable sources, including the largest newspapers in Bangladesh, have covered it since the magazines founding. The fact that it holds official events with government agencies in Bangladesh and outside show that it has some credibility. It is the first Computer magazine in the 8th largest country in the world by Population would have some degrees of notability through having pioneer advantage and a large captive audience. A former government Minister in West Bengal, India, identified this magazine in an interview with DW as a type of Bengali language publications they would like in India. Some common sense application of policy is needed here and not an overly bureaucratic response. Look at articles on other computer magazines like MacMinute, MacGuide, MacWEEK, Windows Magazine, etc, who have far fewer sources and still not deleted or even nominated. Why the delete votes despite sources? see Wikipedia:Systemic bias. By comparison this pioneering magazine has received continued coverage from a wide spectrum of national news media in Bangladesh. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 04:03, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Listed sources are all minor and mostly in-passing. The !vote above makes an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument that fails to convince me. --Randykitty (talk) 04:10, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Magazines and newspapers are always difficult to find sources. Rival publishing houses will rarely want to discuss them, even if notable, and publishing houses associated with the periodical will be dismissed as not independent. We should therefore be cautious about declaring a subject non-notable after a cursory search fails to turn up in-depth coverage. Further, there is a language problem to overcome here. I am seeing a fair smattering of cites in books and scholarly papers to articles in the magazine. While that does not in itself establish notability, I find that encouraging and it shows that the subject is more than an unnotable enthusiast magazine. This paper on internet access in Bangladesh discusses the subject and opens with "The pioneering and bold computer magazine of Bangladesh, The Monthly Computer Jagat,..." While that discussion is somewhat less than in-depth, it is more than a passing mention. I also find it encouraging that scholars are willing to declare their editorship of Computer Jagat in the brief author bios sometimes included in published papers such as Nibaran Das does in this paper, again showing that the magazine has some kind of scholarly status in Bangladesh. I know this is all very weak, but it is enough to convince me not to delete. SpinningSpark 11:10, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have tried to search for sources in the magazine's native language. I believe the correct search term is "কম্পিউটার জগৎ". Not speaking Bengali, this is difficult for me to assess the results, but there does indeed seem to be some in-depth coverage. For instance, there is this news item of a collaboration between the magazine and the Bangladesh Computer Society. SpinningSpark 12:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to have to oppose this nomination in view of what Vinegarymass911 and SpinningSpark say above. James500 (talk) 00:31, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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