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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Mark as possible copyright infringement per instructions at Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Instructions—I have done some searching around Wikipedia to find information on lists and copyrights and have come across User:Dragons flight/Evil looking lists which is referenced in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fair use/Archive 5#Fair use lists. The rationale under which the list here is likely a copyright violation is that it is based on editorial input an not a simple list of facts; being a list based on judgements of the staff of Computer Gaming World ... in fact, the page referenced by the list-article as a reference is itself possibly a copyright violation by this criterion. However, if the list was the result of a reader survey, then it likely would be usable under fair use because the list would then be reporting the facts of a survey that the editors of the magazine did not otherwise alter. With this doubt in mind, I'm not going to delete, but mark as a possible copyvio and let more experienced persons take it from there. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Please see Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2007 December 11/Articles for the posting I made to the Copyright Problems page. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) —Preceding comment was added at 02:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Computer Gaming World list of the best games of all time[edit]

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This is a copyright violation of Gaming World's intellectual property, since it's based on personal opinion and not immutable facts. There is a long record of deleting such articles in the past because of the copyright nature of the lists. Corvus cornixtalk 23:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Examining their actual list on the web, it contain a great deal of other information--there is a paragraph of analysis for each game. [1] so we are simply reporting on which games they chose to talk about--reproducing their text would be a copyright violation. This should at the very least go to one of the copyright discussion pages.
Corvus, did you compare the two pages before you nominated it? DGG (talk) 17:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter if they're word for word the same or not, the list itself is copyrighted. Corvus cornixtalk 17:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And we can report on their contents--go actually look--we have less than 1% of the total. DGG (talk) 17:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As for fair use, it meets all 4 US tests completely: factual prose, non-profit use, minute fraction oft he original, no influence on sales--since its free on the web. (and it would only have to meet the majority of them , anyway. But it totally satisfyies all 4. We follow US law here, and those are the legal criteria.). Lets move this where the copyright experts here can see it. DGG (talk) 17:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - not convinced this isn't a copyright violation. It may be a small proportion of the original text but it is ALL of the salient parts of that text. This is a reproduction of the original (as the article title doesn't shy away from admitting), albeit in a trimmed form. It easily renders the original obsolete for anyone who isn't interested in the minor details of what the reviewers thought of each game. If that's fair use then I'm surprised. Anyway, besides that, where's the notability? Miremare 04:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - is this list even notable? Where are the reliable sources to establish the notability of this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whpq (talk • contribs) 18:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for notability reasons -- while this article can be a source for articles about the individual games claiming "best-of-all-time", the list itself is not notable. We therefore have no need to get to the copyright violation question. --Lquilter (talk) 20:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep - this is not copyright violation. it is a summary of a greater article for research purposes, and qualifies as a fair exception to copyright for most WIPO countries. Cackalackakilla (talk) 20:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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