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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 10:38, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comparisons between the Women's United Soccer Association, Women's Professional Soccer, and National Women's Soccer League[edit]

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I don't see how this article is really that helpful, I see a clear breach of WP:OR, the excessively long title, I can't see anyone typing that in to google! Encyclopaedias are suppose to be about an item, biography, entities, not "comparisons". This feels at odds with what the project stands for. Govvy (talk) 10:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy: If an online encyclopedia like this shouldn't be about "comparisons" (which in on itself, is merely a subjective observation to make), then why exactly is there an entire category devoted to comparisons in the realm of sports. The fact of the matter is, that in the United States, there have thus far been three professional women's soccer leagues, that are recognized at the top of the United States league system: The WUSA, WSP, and currently, NWSL. So it isn't like I just randomly threw these separate leagues together for a comparison if they otherwise have little else in common. BornonJune8 (talk) 10:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OMG, apart from the Chess article, every other article should go, no sourcing in some, others are just plain OR and a couple of those articles are not really comparisons, it's just a collection of unsourced statistics. Govvy (talk) 11:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Govvy (talk) 11:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Govvy (talk) 11:33, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete anything starting "Comparison of" is inevitably going to be original research. None of the sources so far as I can see are actually comparing the two. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete clear WP:OR. The user who created this page has done the same plenty of other times and although the articles keep getting AFD'ed they continue to make such pages (topic ban?). REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:17, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Somehow this one List of Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) broadcasters survived an unattended AFD. Perhaps someone should renominate. Nfitz (talk) 04:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 14:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not just for WP:SYNTH issues, but because the format makes the article nigh unreadable. Even if this topic does meet notability, it should probably be nuked. Jay eyem (talk) 19:15, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy: Again, you come across sounding subjective. Are you saying that there shouldn't be a comparison of sports category at all? I have nothing to do with those other "comparisons in sports" articles, so you have to be more specific regarding which articles (besides the ones that I may have had a hand in creating), have to go. And I don't understand why you say that you can't compare statistics. Let's say in baseball, I'm comparing and contrasting home many collective home runs one team hit during an entire season against another team? Sports are by design, about comparisons. In the Olympics for example, statistical comparisons like how fast an athlete runs or swims or skis is done all the time. BornonJune8 (talk) 2:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: Online "comparisons" between the three American women's professional soccer leagues: Routledge Handbook of Sports Marketing (scroll down to page 358 under Professional women's sports in the US), For Soccer-Crazy Girls Only: Everything Great about Soccer, The Real Tea On U.S. Women’s Soccer, Gabarra: The dreams of WUSA and WPS are the reality of NWSL, Will NWSL be a success? Well ..., WHAT IS THE STATE OF THE NWSL AFTER THEIR FOURTH SEASON?, NWSL has survived longer than any other women's soccer league. When do players get paid?, Follow the money to see if U.S. pro soccer leagues remain viable

Some of the similarities between MLS and the 1968-1984 version of the North American Soccer League (think Pelé and the Cosmos) are hard to ignore. The NASL grew quickly through expansion, even as its established teams struggled; several MLS sides have fallen behind, as the league adds new teams virtually every season. Enthusiasm for a few of the NASL’s teams was counterbalanced by apathy among others. Likewise, several MLS sides draw enormous crowds while others, irrespective of the product on the field, struggle to draw fans. The similarities are even more striking on the women’s side, which saw two leagues close shop in less than a decade. Both the Women’s United Soccer Association (WUSA, 2001-03) and Women’s Professional Soccer (WPS, 2009-11) began with optimistic visions of being the best women’s league in the world. Both leagues had trouble attracting sponsors, fans and committed ownership. Both had to close down when the money ran out. Even though the NWSL has lasted into a sixth year and is thriving in several cities, the league last offseason lost two franchises that were unwilling to continue losing money. The biggest difference on the MLS side is the money at stake. NASL teams flitted around the map, folding at the drop of a hat, because their owners had invested so little that folding or moving a team made perfect financial sense. The Minnesota Kicks’ second, less-involved owner famously folded the team over the phone. Today’s MLS owners have franchises worth hundreds of millions of dollars and most have soccer-specific stadiums to host the teams — investments too large to let fail. The NWSL, though, is more concerning. Costs are more controlled than the WUSA or WPS, which is a positive. The league also has five teams that share ownership with MLS teams, plus the United States and Canadian soccer federations paying salaries for their national-team players. Those are helpful backstops to prevent a sudden end to the league.

BornonJune8 (talk) 3:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Please thread your comments, it helps keep the talk page legible. And there are still a lot of issues with the article. The title is awful, the lead is way too long, the prose are in these boxes which are entirely unnecessary, and most of the prose isn't even a comparison; it's just side by side discussions of their history. All of that is better suited in their respective articles. If there is information that really merits inclusion on Wikipedia, it is probably better served in an article like History of soccer in the United States. The format for this article alone makes it unreadable and it should be nuked. Jay eyem (talk) 14:40, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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