Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Collin Bowman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While WP:GNG does not supersede WP:NHOCKEY (since WP:N specifies that notability is presumed if either is met), consensus is that he meets neither guideline. A useful redirect (not to his brother, but maybe his team) might be created instead but this was not discussed here. So Why 18:05, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Collin Bowman[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:GNG per WP:ROUTINE sources (most sources are about signings and I found two from the local papers, Denver Post and Loveland's Reporter Herald, which are usually also not considered independent secondary sources to fulfill GNG). He also currently fails WP:NHOCKEY as he has not played at a high enough level, played long enough, played for a national team in top level international competitions, or earned any significant honors. This page was formerly a redirect to his brother Drayson Bowman (a former NHL player) and reverting back could also work. Yosemiter (talk) 16:05, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable hockey player.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. No need for a redirect, either. Enigma^msg 18:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep that page! Yosemiter refers to WP:NHOCKEY, but just that is my first point, why to keep it. It says <quote>Ice hockey players are presumed notable if they played one or more games in an existing or defunct top professional league</quote> - To this day he played 46 games for the Vienna Capitals in the EBEL - the top professional league in Austria. Second point: He is young, he should play long enough, he might be nomitated for a national team one day, and if the team remains strong, he could become Austrian champion at Easter. WLinsmayer (talk) 10:28, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@WLinsmayer: First off, WP:GNG supersedes NHOCKEY, so unless you can provide non-routine sources (which I have also looked for), then he fails the primary notability standards. Second, please read WP:TOOSOON, as it states if a subject does not currently meet GNG, we can not assume it one day will. (I highly doubt he will ever make an American national team at this point, he is 25 and not even in the NHL.) Please also read the hockey league assessment, where the highest level leagues have been assessed for its media coverage of players for how we assume "automatic" notability. It does not state a country's top professional league, it means the world's top professional leagues, of which EBEL is fairly low. You cannot honestly try to argue that EBEL teams can compete with the Liiga, KHL, or NHL, on the ice or in the international media. (Winning the championship in a league does not assume a player's notability at that level, he must win a major individual award such as league MVP or First Team All Star). If he does one day meet the criteria, an admin can restore a deleted page. Yosemiter (talk) 13:32, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.