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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz talk 22:04, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Colección Patricia Phelps de Cisneros/Publication list[edit]

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Es una subpágina, no enciclopédica, de un artículo Jcfidy (talk) 08:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • This list of publications is a sub-page for a Wikipedia GLAM initiative. It is totally acceptable to have the page be a subpage of the main page. It has yet to be fully developed, but it is already being used heavily as a resource for creating Wikipedia pages that will be either created or improved on English, Spanish, and Portuguese Wikipedia. I don't understand why this is even a problem. This project is aiming to automate and improve Wikipedia, using these fully formatted citations -- the aim is that they can be easily copied and reused. There is no reason for this sub-page to be deleted. The Spanish editor is not even willing to have a discussion with me about this. This is so upsetting, as the intention here is very productive for three language Wikipedia. I don't understand. -- BrillLyle (talk) 08:32, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • This subpage is also not complete. If I need to address concerns about the publication list, I would like the opportunity to improve the page before such a massive amount of constructive information is deleted. I disagree strongly with this deletion, and think it is really aggressive and unhelpful. I don't think that the Spanish admin took the time to understand this subpage. BrillLyle (talk) 09:06, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Si forma parte de los recursos de algún wikiproyecto lo lógico es que sea una subpágina del wikiproyecto pero no de un artículo. Creo entender que su función va a ser similar a la del proyecto Biblioteca de es.wiki ¿o lo he entendido mal? --Jcfidy (talk) 11:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • This list of publications is a sub-page for a Wikipedia GLAM initiative. It is totally acceptable to have the page be a subpage of the main page. It has yet to be fully developed, but it is already being used heavily as a resource for creating Wikipedia pages that will be either created or improved on English, Spanish, and Portuguese Wikipedia. I don't understand why this is even a problem. This project is aiming to automate and improve Wikipedia, using these fully formatted citations -- the aim is that they can be easily copied and reused. There is no reason for this sub-page to be deleted. The Spanish editor is not even willing to have a discussion with me about this. This is so upsetting, as the intention here is very productive for three language Wikipedia. I don't understand. -- BrillLyle (talk) 08:32, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • This subpage is also not complete. If I need to address concerns about the publication list, I would like the opportunity to improve the page before such a massive amount of constructive information is deleted. I disagree strongly with this deletion, and think it is really aggressive and unhelpful. I don't think that the Spanish admin took the time to understand this subpage. BrillLyle (talk) 09:06, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Si forma parte de los recursos de algún wikiproyecto lo lógico es que sea una subpágina del wikiproyecto pero no de un artículo. Creo entender que su función va a ser similar a la del proyecto Biblioteca de es.wiki ¿o lo he entendido mal? --Jcfidy (talk) 11:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Al igual que esta discusión abarca varios idiomas: Creo que usted ha entendido mal la situación aquí. La eliminación de esta subpágina es en contra de WP: BOLD y tendrá un impacto negativo en el idioma español y portugués Wikipedia.
CPPC como parte de su actividad publica trabajos académicos y de historia del arte en múltiples idiomas que serán citas para apoyar contenido que afecte a Wikipedias de inglés, español, portugués y otros idiomas. Esta subpágina es un reflejo de ese trabajo porque es únicamente multilingüe. Para que los editores maximicen el uso de la página CPPC principal y la subpágina con las citas, ambas páginas deben personalizarse para cada idioma: las plantillas de citas reflejan las etiquetas de idioma de forma diferente.
Una vez más abogo con usted para considerar cuán negativo será el impacto de la eliminación, especialmente para los usuarios de habla española.
Puedo y estoy dispuesto a mejorar la página principal y la subpágina para ilustrar esto mejor. Pero eliminar la subpágina es muy dañina. Le ruego que reconsidere esta postura. Al tener una interpretación estrecha aquí, usted como un editor están teniendo un impacto muy negativo en algo que está muy destinado a ser positivo y constructivo. BrillLyle (talk) 14:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Just like this discussion spans multiple languages: I believe that you have misunderstood the situation here. Deleting this sub-page is against WP:BOLD and will have a negative impact on Spanish and Portuguese language Wikipedia.
CPPC as part of its activity publishes academic and art history works in multiple languages that will be citations to support content that impacts English, Spanish, Portuguese as well as other language Wikipedias. This sub-page is reflective of that work because it is uniquely multi-lingual. For editors to maximize usage of both the main CPPC page and the subpage with the citations both pages need to be customized for each language: citation templates reflect language tags differently.
I again plead with you to consider how negative the impact of the deletion will be, especially for Spanish speaking users.
I can and am willing to improve both the main page and the sub-page to illustrate this better. But to delete the sub-page is so very harmful. I beg you to reconsider this stance. By having a narrow interpretation here, you as one editor are having very negative impact on something that is very much intended to be positive and constructive. BrillLyle (talk) 14:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BrillLyle (talk) 14:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Esto no se trata de una tienda de enlaces, ya que he dicho que esta página no está completa. El plan era mejorar su contenido. La página es increíblemente relevante. Pero no parece que usted está interesado en tener una conversación aquí sobre eso.
La CPPC tiene su sede en los Estados Unidos, pero es internacional y muy panregional en los países de habla hispana que utilizan esta Wikipedia. Su misión es la publicación de obras que necesitan estar disponibles en múltiples idiomas. Cada subpágina debe ser completamente utilizable en cada idioma.
El impacto de suprimir esta subpágina significará que CPPC tendrá que duplicar GLAM sus páginas de iniciativa inglesa en Wikipedias en inglés, español y portugués. La página GLAM actual está aquí: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Colecci%C3%B3n_Patricia_Phelps_de_Cisneros
Esta es una situación en la que se debe permitir una excepción en el espíritu de WP: BOLD - y también en apoyo de una iniciativa GLAM que planea incluir una gran donación de imágenes.
Al eliminar esta subpágina, está afectando negativamente la cobertura de la Wikipedia española del arte moderno latinoamericano. Esto está perjudicando significativamente a su propia Wikipedia.
De sus acciones aquí también están impactando negativamente Wikipedia Inglés, como un compañero de redacción ha puesto en cola la sub-página de Inglés para la eliminación aquí, tan bien hecho! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Colecci%C3%B3n_Patricia_Phelps_de_Cisneros/Publication_list
El resultado final de no flexibilidad aquí es increíblemente negativo para los hispanohablantes y no reflejará la página CPPC adecuadamente. Esta eliminación creará 3 veces el trabajo y no reflejará la entrada correctamente. No creo que sea correcto para usted como un editor tener tal impacto, para interponerse en el camino de una iniciativa de GLAM que tendría un resultado tan positivo en su enciclopedia. Pero esta es su elección.
Yo me opongo. -- BrillLyle (talk) 14:10, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]


This is not a link store, as I said this page is not complete. The plan was to improve its content. The page is incredibly relevant. But it does not look like you're interested in having a conversation here about that.
The CPPC is based in the United States, but is international and very panregional in the Spanish-speaking countries that use this Wikipedia. Its mission is to publish works that need to be available in multiple languages. Each subpage must be fully usable in each language.
The impact of deleting this subpage will mean that CPPC will have to duplicate its GLAM pages of English initiative in Wikipedias in English, Spanish and Portuguese. The current GLAM page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Colecci%C3%B3n_Patricia_Phelps_de_Cisneros
This is a situation where an exception should be allowed in the spirit of WP: BOLD - and also in support of a GLAM initiative that plans to include a large donation of images.
By deleting this subpage, it is negatively affecting the Spanish Wikipedia's coverage of modern Latin American art. This is significantly harming your own Wikipedia.
Of their actions here are also negatively impacting Wikipedia English, as a copywriting partner has put the English sub-page for deletion here, so well done! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Colecci%C3%B3n_Patricia_Phelps_de_Cisneros/Publication_list
The final result of non-flexibility here is incredibly negative for Spanish speakers and will not reflect the CPPC page properly. This deletion will create 3 times the job and will not reflect the input correctly. I do not think it is right for you as an editor to have such an impact, to get in the way of a GLAM initiative that would have such a positive result in your encyclopedia. But this is your choice.
I oppose.
Esto no se trata de una tienda de enlaces, ya que he dicho que esta página no está completa. El plan era mejorar su contenido. La página es increíblemente relevante. Pero no parece que usted está interesado en tener una conversación aquí sobre eso.
La CPPC tiene su sede en los Estados Unidos, pero es internacional y muy panregional en los países de habla hispana que utilizan esta Wikipedia. Su misión es la publicación de obras que necesitan estar disponibles en múltiples idiomas. Cada subpágina debe ser completamente utilizable en cada idioma.
El impacto de suprimir esta subpágina significará que CPPC tendrá que duplicar GLAM sus páginas de iniciativa inglesa en Wikipedias en inglés, español y portugués. La página GLAM actual está aquí: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Colecci%C3%B3n_Patricia_Phelps_de_Cisneros
Esta es una situación en la que se debe permitir una excepción en el espíritu de WP: BOLD - y también en apoyo de una iniciativa GLAM que planea incluir una gran donación de imágenes.
Al eliminar esta subpágina, está afectando negativamente la cobertura de la Wikipedia española del arte moderno latinoamericano. Esto está perjudicando significativamente a su propia Wikipedia.
De sus acciones aquí también están impactando negativamente Wikipedia Inglés, como un compañero de redacción ha puesto en cola la sub-página de Inglés para la eliminación aquí, tan bien hecho! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Colecci%C3%B3n_Patricia_Phelps_de_Cisneros/Publication_list
El resultado final de no flexibilidad aquí es increíblemente negativo para los hispanohablantes y no reflejará la página CPPC adecuadamente. Esta eliminación creará 3 veces el trabajo y no reflejará la entrada correctamente. No creo que sea correcto para usted como un editor tener tal impacto, para interponerse en el camino de una iniciativa de GLAM que tendría un resultado tan positivo en su enciclopedia. Pero esta es su elección.
Yo me opongo. -- BrillLyle (talk) 14:10, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • A reminder that subpages are disabled in the English Wikipedia mainspace, and WP:SUB prohibits storage of article content in subpages. Delete or projectify. – Train2104 (t • c) 14:23, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Both list pages and sub-pages exist for filmographies as well as lists of publications. Again the negative impact this action will have will be harmful to end users and especially Spanish Wikipedia. I fear you are not understanding my point and my request for flexibility here. BrillLyle (talk) 14:31, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Existen tanto páginas de la lista como subpáginas para las filmografías, así como listas de publicaciones. Una vez más el impacto negativo que tendrá esta acción será perjudicial para los usuarios finales y especialmente para la Wikipedia española. Me temo que no entiende mi punto y mi solicitud de flexibilidad aquí BrillLyle (talk) 14:31, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I again object to you as one editor having such a negative impact on something that is so beneficial to the encyclopedias of multiple languages. What can I add to further explain the positive and constructive benefit of being WP:BOLD. Do I have to add this publication list to the main page?
Otra vez me opongo a usted como un editor que tiene un impacto negativo sobre algo que es tan beneficioso para las enciclopedias de múltiples lenguas. ¿Qué puedo añadir para explicar más el beneficio positivo y constructivo de ser WP: BOLD. ¿Tengo que añadir esta lista de publicaciones a la página principal? BrillLyle (talk) 14:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The impact of your action will require a huge duplication of effort on the project side, which is not reflective of the international and pan-regional impact of the organization and its publications.
El impacto de su acción requerirá una gran duplicación de esfuerzos por parte del proyecto, lo cual no refleja el impacto internacional y pan-regional de la organización y sus publicaciones. BrillLyle (talk) 14:37, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot follow the Spanish parts and wonder why they are there at all it being about the English Wikipedia. Having said that, a little leeway would help. This is a project that will develop in a major way the documentation and therefore the articles about South American art and artists. It is frightfully underdeveloped. In my opinion this proposal for deletion needs to be speedily removed. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 15:50, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:56, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:56, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:56, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have a question. Would a separate "List of Colección Patricia Phelps de Cisneros publications" page be acceptable. It would not be a sub-page, but would be a separate entry unto itself. / Tengo una pregunta. ¿Sería aceptable una página separada "Lista de Colección Patricia Phelps de Cisneros"? No sería una subpágina, sino que sería una entrada separada en sí misma. BrillLyle (talk) 18:20, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Google traslate For my part I have no problem in making it a separate list, as an attachment. --Jcfidy (talk) 18:48, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I think I understand the concern about sub-page versus list. I will work on the list page to develop it more. Is that acceptable? Would it be okay to then use "see also" to point to list from CPPC page? / Bueno. Creo que entiendo la preocupación por sub-página versus lista. Trabajaré en la página de la lista para desarrollarla más. ¿Es eso aceptable? ¿Estaría OK usar entonces "ver también" para apuntar a la lista de la página CPPC? -- BrillLyle (talk) 19:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. --Jcfidy (talk) 11:07, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Basically just a bi-lingual conversation between the same 2 editors.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L3X1 (distænt write) 14:54, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]


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