Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cochrane Road (Hamilton, Ontario)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no admin action needed. Moved to King's Forest Park and then redirect changed to List of streets in Hamilton, Ontario. While I don't agree with User:RandomCanadian's decision to move during an AFD on paper, in practice it creates needless work to undo all that only to redo it tomorrow when the 7 days are up. Relevant essays/guidelines/policies: WP:IAR and the millions of things written about it. And yes, I am using IAR to fragrantly violate the whole "don't close a discussion you !voted in" thing. I promise this is an incredibly rare action that I in all likelihood probably will not have a good reason to do again, like, ever.(non-admin closure) casualdejekyll 02:07, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cochrane Road (Hamilton, Ontario)[edit]

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Notability not established with substantive sources about the generic road as a whole. Most content is irrelevant and fails to provide a basis for an article. The map shows that King's Forest Park is on the other side of Greenhill Ave, which intersects with NINE streets including this one. So why are all these waterfall pictures here, when they're literally over a mile away from the end of the road? Reywas92^Talk 14:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Reywas92^Talk 14:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Reywas92^Talk 14:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To answer your question, all the Ontario street articles are like this. No notability to the street, just a directory of landmarks and neighbourhoods that are sometimes not even on the topic street. I would also support deletion of the other Hamilton streets that were deprodded (Cannon and Charlton). Feel free to venture up and tackle Toronto streets! - Floydian ^τ _¢ 15:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~Move to King's Forest Park The article has no cited statements about the street itself, and in fact the entire history section never even mentions the street, just things near it. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's enumerate-the-grid-street-by-street coverage of Hamilton, Ontario sometimes obscures the actual subjects in amusing ways. Witness this picture of the Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral of St. Vladimir, Barton Street. Uncle G (talk) 16:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How can this article get by without mentioning the hardwood flooring shop? ☺
What Ahecht says is a bit of a clue, here. The introduction to the article is just plain false. This road doesn't have a junction on the traffic circle. So remove that entire introduction and the useless list of parallel streets, and what's left? Surprisingly, it's an article about King's Forest Park in Hamilton (or King's Forest Park (Hamilton, Ontario) as the article would have it), heavily disguised as an article about a surburban road. All of the pictures are of the park. All of the prose is about the park.
I do wonder how people make these decisions. Looking at a map of Hamilton and deciding what to write about: "Do I write about the park, the big splodge of colour with all of the things? Or about some road?" Mind you, writing about the road has effectively given us a stub about the park.
Uncle G (talk) 15:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete What is it with roads in Ontario specifically that there are a lot of articles on them? Same deal as the Wiokipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
My keyboard died halfway through writing this comment. The new one has a tiny backspace key and I am not enjoying it + the enter key is where the backspace key was on my old keyboard. I hate you Logitech. Anyway I don't even feel like finishing the comment so have fun with this casualdejekyll 22:50, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I tried to clean it up years ago by merging about 3 dozen road articles into a set of 3 listicles (list-articles). They have largely been restored over the years since, albeit many by a user who has since been permabanned. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 23:22, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  I just discovered that the new keyboard I was struggling with on the 9th is called by some people a "big-ass enter", which is accurate. New keyboard acquired, thankfully. casualdejekyll 16:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  
  I figured it was like my wireless Xbox controller, that sticks on whatever I'm pressing as the battery dies! I'm still curious to know what is equally as shitty as articles on Ontario streets, because I can assure you that Ontario highways are not in the same basket :) - Floydian ^τ _¢ 19:42, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This isn't Upper James or one of the main drags in Hamilton, it's just a road. Oaktree b (talk) 01:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've blanked the street lists. The article about King's Forest Park that was hiding behind them is a little easier to see, now. Uncle G (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Does not meet notability. Alex-h (talk) 13:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect (and merge if there's anything worth salvaging) to List of roads in Hamilton, Ontario, as we've done with other similar Ontario roads. Nfitz (talk) 23:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Purge superfluous details and move to King's Forest Park as that is what the article is actually about (per Uncle G), that park actually appears to have enough good sources (GNG) to have a policy-compliant article about it, and to preserve page history per WP:ATTREQ. And also procedural keep as the discussion here has been mostly about the street and not the park. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. By all means make an article about that - perhaps even with much of the content. But I think this should still redirect to list of streets (where there can be in turn a link to a major of a feature of the street). Nfitz (talk) 07:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that this is already an article about that. If you want this to redirect to a list of streets, you're free to create the redirect after this has been moved. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
By that I meant King's Forest Park. What do you mean? Nfitz (talk) 17:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As things stand, the only real issue with the article is that it is a the wrong title. It really isn't an article about Cochrane Road, but an article about King's Forest Park. It should be moved to the proper title (and the superfluous lead removed). Then if you want to have the street name to redirect to a list, you're free to edit the redirect thereafter. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:40, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy with that. Nfitz (talk) 01:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note per the above short discussion, 1) the article has been moved to King's Forest Park, and trimmed of the excess bits; 2) the redirect now points to the list of streets and 3) this AfD seems rather pointless to continue now... If somebody wants to start an AfD on the park article or an RfD on the new redirect, they're free to do so, but clearly that would be a different discussion than the one that has so far been had. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:26, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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