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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is nothing close to a consensus for this article to be deleted here; any further discussion in relation to merging the article (or otherwise) can be held at the appropriate location (the talk page). Therefore, the article's subject is found to be notable for stand-alone inclusion at this time, without prejeducie to a merger after further consensus is found on the matter. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 20:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Climate Action Plan[edit]

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This AfD needs to happen per the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Climate action. Personally I'm not sure which way it should go. I like the current format of being basically a disambiguation page, but I question how useful it is. I leave it to the community to decide. J♯m (talk | contribs) 16:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - it's a bit strange. Really it's a list of US organisations with a Climate Action Plan rather than an article about what they are. Is it just an offshoot of another article? Shritwod (talk) 16:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think there is much connection between Climate Action Plan and climate action - they just happen to have similar names. The climate action plan appears to be a name for a set of local plans in the USA; as such, it is probably a real if minor thing. Also, their capitalisation is different :-) William M. Connolley (talk) 16:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Needs work, but serves as disambiguation and as stub to collect aspects common to all or most climate action plans. Hugh (talk) 16:55, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:Speedy Keep Wikipedia:Snowball clause or Rename Useful information and links. This should not be deleted. That being said, it is a bit of a 'bait and switch' as it doesn't discuss plans or their meaning or application. Adding content to this article and having a linked "List of Climate Action Plans" (to/from this article content) might be a good plan. WP:Before not followed, or honored 'more in the breach than the observance.' 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: Thanks for this, I'd actually never seen WP:BEFORE before. J♯m (talk | contribs) 17:38, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Common affliction. Then there are editors who have seen it and don't think it applies to them. Another variant is a GIGO problem. Article names (particularly involving proper names and other language, alphabets, etc.) don't show up in searches. So even a diligent editor can be unaware of the potential sources. 17:49, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Jsharpminor. If WP:BEFORE is new to you, then you will also have a leg up on other nominators if you study WP:Alternatives to deletion (WP:ATD). Note that WP:ATD is a Policy, as is WP:Before. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:04, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: Also, I believe the disagreement below eliminates the rational possibility of snowball closure of this discussion. We should let it run its course. J♯m (talk | contribs) 20:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Definite Keep There is a rich set of sources out there. This article needs to become less of a dab page and more of an expansion of the whole concept. It looks as if there is enough information to eventually provide a full article and a list of other articles. It should not be deleted. — Gorthian (talk) 17:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I just found List of climate change initiatives, an outdated mishmash of a list that could eventually be a sort of "parent" list to this article/list. — Gorthian (talk) 17:39, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Definite Keep I agree with Gorthian that this article can (and IMO should) be developed to more fully elucidate the contents of US President Obama’s Climate Action Plan. MaynardClark (talk) 17:58, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Climate action plan. Only one of the two refs refer to a Climate Action Plan as a title case proper noun, and that's the 2nd one. But it only does so in referring one particular plan, for Detroit. Tellingly, it then goes on to say "over 600 U.S. cities have developed climate action plans (CAPs)," which indicates that this is a common noun, and that our standard article capitalization rules for such should apply. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose renaming 'CAP' to 'Cap' BECAUSE this term, 'Climate Action Plan', is a proper noun (proper nouns in English should be capitalized; the US President's Climate Action Plan should be capitalized!), and the US White House refers to this Executive Order as the Climate Action Plan.[1][2] MaynardClark (talk) 17:55, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ The White House: Office of the Press Secretary. FACT SHEET: President Obama’s Climate Action Plan. President Obama's Plan to Cut Carbon Pollution: Taking Action for Our Kids, June 25, 2013, accessed February 15, 2016
  2. ^ Executive Office of the President. The President’s Climate Action Plan, June 2013, accessed February 15, 2016
  • Oh I see. Well, if it's a so-named White House initiative the article lead needs to be rewritten to reflect that. There's no mention of that at all, currently. I'll strike through my !vote. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep edit: Possibly just Merge to the master list /endedit This is a list of plans instead of the two duplicate climate articles AfD has gone through. Maybe rename it List of Climate Action Plans since there is only a brief intro until the listing begins. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 19:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed, like someone pointed above, that we already have List of climate change initiatives. Wikipedia's web of climate pages are quite confusing. At least I updated the see alsos of both articles that people can find content the other doesn't have while I try to wrap my head around this. I now also noticed there's thing called Biodiversity Action Plan. Is there a Biodiversity change mitigation article somewhere? --Mr. Magoo (talk) 19:22, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now I'm second-guessing my vote. Since List of climate change initiatives is the "master list", is there a need for a CAP article at all since they all would naturally be included in the master list and some are already? --Mr. Magoo (talk) 19:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, I oppose the renaming of List of climate change initiatives to List of climate change mitigation initiatives. No one on Earth in the year 2016 is suggesting that we should be changing the climate. Every climate change initiative currently on the board is for coping with or preventing uncontrollable climate change. That being said, we should keep the article as what it's referred to by in the press, etc. Google pulls up approx. 158,000 hits on "climate change initiatives"; "climate change mitigation initiatives" generates 9,800. Finally, keep article titles as short as are useful. J♯m (talk | contribs) 20:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of books, articles, and essays that discuss climate action plans (see, e.g., this book and this book. This article definitely needs expansion, but deletion is not warranted here. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:53, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (or possibly Merge by incorporating List of climate change initiatives here and having it redirect here, rather than vice-versa for reasons explained in my second paragraph). The page started out as a disambiguation page, and I could see there should be no problem developing it into a full article. Based on the fact numerous cites have them and use the same name, I had no doubt there was WP:RS to be found, and I found a couple of journal articles and added them, but did not have time to include the abundant material in just those two articles. As stated above others are aware of more RS on the subject, so this article will no doubt eventually grow and be fully fleshed out from its recent infancy of a disambiguation page.
The one major advantage of the name "Climate Action Plan" over List of climate change initiatives is that it is simple and simple to Google, making it useful to those seeking information. When I Googled "Climate Action Plan", our article came first and I did not notice the other one. My guess is that the name "Climate Action Plan" developed from a diverse group of names, and now that is the name most commonly being used, which is why the other article is so old. For that reason, I am inclined to want to keep this one as a major source of information and so it still comes up in Google, and possibly move the bulk of the information from the other article (rather than the other way), unless there is something distinct that differentiates the two and then both should be developed separately. --David Tornheim (talk) 04:53, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rethink all the approach to all these articles
Currently from the leads:
    • 'A Climate Action Plan (CAP) is a set of strategies intended to guide efforts for reducing greenhouse gas emissions'
    • 'Climate action describes various efforts to prevent what is considered dangerous climate change'
    • List of climate change initiatives: 'Here is a list of international, national, regional, and local political initiatives to take action on climate change'
    • 'Climate change mitigation consists of actions to limit the magnitude or rate of long-term climate change'
The above four articles are all relatively confusing in any differentiation.
I suggest the best course of action is to look at them as a group, and not whether or not individually the should be deleted, merged, or rewritten.
May I suggest then that:
    1. Climate Action be merged into Climate change mitigation with a redirect from Climate A/action to Climate change mitigation.
    2. Climate change mitigation describes/defines what a Climate Action Plan is in a section with a link to the article List of Climate Action Plans
    3. Rename Climate Action Plan to List of Climate Actions Plans (CAP)s
    4. Climate Action Plan redirects to the section in point 2 above.
    5. Climate change mitigation also in another section describes generally what climate change initiatives are, whether or not they are in documented specific CAPs, with a link to the article List of climate change initiatives. CAPs are the particular jurisdictions combinations of climate change mitigation initiatives and why that jurisdiction believes that combination is best for them. Climate change mitigation initiatives could be and are common/shared between jurisdictions.
    6. Merge Avoiding dangerous climate change with redirect into Climate change mitigation
    7. Move what are really CAPs from List of climate change initiatives to List of Climate Actions Plans and check generally for consistency

Aoziwe (talk) 12:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Since you suggested turning the CAP article into just a list of climate change initiatives that have the name Action Plan — like I did, is there really need a separate article or would they be well fit with just a section titled Climate Action Plans in the List of climate change initiatives article? --Mr. Magoo (talk) 18:31, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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