Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clark Kelly Price

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Merging was only recently suggested as a potential alternative to deletion, but I'm loathe to relist this discussion a third time, and consensus seems clear that the subject lacks independent notability. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 15:22, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Clark Kelly Price[edit]

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Price's work just does not meet any of our metrics for notability of an artist. The Ensign article I dug up really is mainly using his work to narrate a story. There is a level where telling history through paintings can make one notable, but there is no indication that any of Price's work rises to that level. We would need lots of sources referencing his work and its impact, and we do not have such. John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:24, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The artist's name has been spelled incorrectly in the article since its creation in 2009 (it was/is spelled incorrectly in some sources). I just moved it to Clark Kelley Price. So please also try:

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--do ncr am 21:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as the one museum listed could be convincing but I have questions about the ingenuity about it, and there's simply nothing else beyond it for otherwise better, hence delete. SwisterTwister talk 02:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e^talk 01:31, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - Poorly cited due to heavy self-publishing and primary sources. Questionable notability. Deaddebate (talk) 03:59, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 17:14, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge (was "Keep", see my comments below) Keep for several reasons:

Searching for sources under the correct spelling yields this review in Western Horseman, a not-yet-noticed solid source
Scottsdale Independent article that gives info on the Cowboy Artists of America, as does http://cowboyartistsofamerica.com/...it is a private club, perhaps all white men in fact judging by group photos and names of members, that is apparently selective. I would not suggest all members are Wikipedia-notable, but membership is something; I might wonder why a cowboy artist is NOT a member.
An award: the Cowboy Artists of America bio states "Clark has twice been selected for the Arts for the Parks Top 100 in Jackson, Wyoming, winning the historical award one year."
When the article was started in 2009 (by the deletion nominator in fact), the artist seemed notable based on then-fresh publication of the Deseret News article which is still good coverage; notability is not temporary.

--do ncr am 22:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The "perhaps all white men" is needless racist grandstanding. You can not tell peoples races from pictures, I am insulted that anyone would attempt to in this day and age. I have a friend who carries his birth certificate so people do not falsely class him as white when he is black. Unless you have real evidence a group excludes based on race lines like "perhaps all white men" are unneccesarily racially inflamatory.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:39, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what "racist grandstanding" is, or whether I did it, but point taken about telling people's races from their group photos of members. Sorry about that. Perhaps they discriminate based on hat ownership, though. :) Hey, what I wrote came out that way because I was being defensive about the CKP's membership in the club as supporting his notability. I do think it supports his notability. However I am uncomfortable in general with using club membership as an indicator of importance. I happen to have created or edited several hundred wikipedia articles and list-articles about clubs/clubhouses (e.g. Masonic Lodges, Elks lodges, and individual elite businessmen's clubs, and women's clubs too, starting with many whose buildings are listed on the National Register). There are aspects of Wikipedia coverage of clubs that should make us uncomfortable, in terms of which clubs get covered and why we should be in the role of sort of promoting them. So anyhow I was sort of trying to pre-empt criticism of my making anything much of the cowboy artists club by myself pointing out (erroneously as you note) something I anticipated might come across as negative about it. I really know nothing about it at all, and I should not have gone that way, I'm sorry. --do ncr am 19:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I was wondering if I should after all create a "Cowboy Artists of America" article, which could perhaps list the member artists, and I just find that it exists: Cowboy Artists of America. I will add CKP's name there and develop it a bit, despite my general misgivings about clubs.

Merging this CKP article to Cowboy Artists of America#Clark Kelley Price is an option, leaving a redirect behind, allowing this article to be recreated without loss of edit history, if/when there are more sources explicitly about this artist. Merging is superior to Deletion. In general we should look for good wp:ATD Alternatives to Deletion, and I think merging this works. Table rows there can hold content including sources about each artist. --do ncr am 19:30, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Paintings in a history museum are not necessarily there because of the quality of the art. Based on reading it, the nature of the deseret news article is clearly propagandistic, not objective. Our standards have generally risen since 2009, and in particular we are more consistent about artists. DGG ( talk ) 17:51, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per DGG's reasoning. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:32, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: User:DGG's "!vote" was before merging/redirecting to Cowboy Artists of America#Clark Kelley Price was suggested and somewhat developed as an option by me. --do ncr am 01:05, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.