Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claire Annabel Caroline Grant Duff

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The result was keep. Cirt (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Claire Annabel Caroline Grant Duff[edit]

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I nominated this for speedy deletion last night under A7. This was declined, so it's having to come here. If she was a poet or writer, she would have something to find - but I can't find anything. I'm also unable to find anything else for her. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 15:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no references found on google (and i tried, believe me), name appears in M. E. Grant Duff article, as his daughter, with no notability given there. this is probably enough for WP.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strike through added as Mercurywoodrose has changed !vote - see lower down. Peridon (talk) 18:30, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

thank you, forgot to do this.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 23:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin: If this is deleted, also delete the redirect Grant Duff, Claire Annabel Caroline. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 02:10, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

redirects are deleted as a matter of course in cases like this after the AfD closes. DGG ( talk ) 05:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I declined the speedy because she was asserted to be an author. She is a real person (Burke's Peerage, etc), but apparently there are no published works, in either WorldCat or the British Library, nor any other significant reference. . Quite a few of the other Grant Duffs are notable, some even as poets, but not her. I think prod would have done for this just as well as AfD. DGG ( talk ) 05:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I@m sorry I should have been clearer when i first placed her : She was quite important in her time and wrote " A victorian childhood", a book that was a bestseller for its time - she also wrote for the London Mercury and was an ardent feminist and friends with most of the most influential women of her time. she was also painted by John Singer Sargent and is mentioned as such ij most comprehensive bokks on him , see Mrs Jackson.... she was also, an ardent Nazi supporter and placed her house at the disposition of Mr Oswald Mosley for the headquarters of the British Nationalist Party. I will write more on her but have had little time! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pg de Loriol (talk • contribs) 17:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You usually get about a week on an AfD - if you've got references, put them in. By the way, Mosley was a baronet (SIR) and ran the (now long defunct) British Union of Fascists. The BNP was a splinter in 1982 from the National Front. Mosley and Duff Grant were both dead by then. Peridon (talk) 19:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I know he was a baronet and head of the BUF - He and GrantDuff were related to each other. I'll try to make this into a larger article by this evening - my previous comment was rushed last night hence the lapses of fact! I am not normally prone to lapses of fact.......... Pg de Loriol (talk) 10:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC) Pg de Loriol[reply]

Reconsidered as Keep. i did some more creative reference checking. she is apparently notable for the book cited above, but written under a different name.ive added the references i found (not happy with how i did it, and i could see a delete anyway if this is all that can be found). i would suggest a renaming of the article to her pen name, with any other name details in the body of the article. Pg de Lorio, its easy to avoid this process. just write an article in your userspace, and when its properly sourced, add it to WP. if you dont have time to write an article with sources, you surely dont have time to write an unsourced, poorlywritten stub that doesnt indicate notability. if you want to add more of her doings, just source them THEN add them.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 22:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I see the book listed in Worldcat [1], with 32 holding libraries. . However, I do not see that it was a best seller or that it was in any way notable. But does anyone have the text of the TLS review readily available? DGG ( talk ) 04:02, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable author and feminist. For example, see The Cambridge companion to the Victorian novel Colonel Warden (talk) 22:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Coffee // have a cup // flagged revs now! // 11:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and mark as stub for future expansion. Peridon (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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