Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Service Brigade

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Renaming or moving can be discussed on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 00:42, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Service Brigade[edit]

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Current article has only one primary source. I took the time to research and develop the Scout-like organizations in the United States article (which is now incorrectly Youth organizations in the United States which is another issue). But during the research, not enough significant coverage was found to consider, but enough to have a section in the Scout-like organizations. I hope that the organizations article would allow CSB and other scouting to eventually have their own article. A few editors are fighting the redirects to the organizations article, so I am official requesting a Redirect from Christian Service Brigade to the organizations article. Spshu (talk) 14:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: that the organizations article was already up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Independent Scout and Scout-like organizations in the United States and came with a huge keep. --Spshu (talk) 14:56, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the organization is notable. The article itself does need some work, but instead of deleting it, efforts should be made to improve the article. --evrik ^(talk) 15:12, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Two issues here, one is a redirect of a binational organization (CSB has according to its own accounts a significant presence in both the US and Canada since the 1940s and claims a smaller presence elsewhere) to a USA only article (in either its old or new names) hence my opposition to a redirect. The second is notability. The organization has been around for some time (1940) currently with several hundred registered units across two countries. Various books mention them (Google search of books for 'Christian Service Brigade' and drop those published by the organization itself) such as "The Evangelicals: A Historical, Thematic, and Biographical Guide" by Robert H. Krapohl, Charles H. Lippy (1999, p. 162) which talks about its rapid growth and states it was adopted by the Church of God as its official youth program in the 1980s though the impression left is that it has declined from its heyday of a few decades back. --Erp (talk) 16:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: a check of that book and other only turn up a mention which is insignificant coverage thus doesn't push the CSB into notability. --Spshu (talk) 00:29, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and move. The parent organization is notable. The current article should be moved to CSB Ministries and expanded to include Battalion, Stockade, Treeclimbers, Tadpoles and GEMS. See WP:BRANCH. The programs can then be forked as the article grows. -- Gadget850^talk 16:45, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GEMS Girls' Clubs is actually under Dynamic Youth Ministries (DYM) not CSB along with Calvinist Cadet Corps and Youth Unlimited. DYM is another US/Canada organization redirected to the US only Youth organizations in the United States so should probably have its own article also with possibly its subsidiaries moved under it. Otherwise I agree with Gadget850 that a rename is appropriate. --Erp (talk) 17:30, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

CSB has GEMS listed, but it is a partnership; it should be listed in the CDB article with the main in the DYM article. That can be hashed out later.[1] But GEMS Girls' Clubs has the sme issue of no parent article. -- Gadget850^talk 18:17, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A clear pass of WP:NONPROFIT. -- 120.23.60.37 (talk) 08:00, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (possibly renamed). This appears to be the youth program of a denomination, or it may be a para-church organization. CSB Ministries is currnetly a redirect to a section of another (long) article. It would be better to keep this article and shorten the section in the wider article, possibly by merging some of its content here. This is not the youth group of a local church, which I would certainly vote to delete. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.