Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cher Hubsher

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The result was delete. Kurykh 05:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Cher Hubsher

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Deletion nomination Article is about a girl who appeared in a single episode of the MTV show "My Super Sweet 16" and then had a few small interviews around that appearence. No evidence of notability beyond this. Jayron32|talk|contribs 06:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:BLP1E. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 07:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Cher Hubsher is notable on the basis that multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject exist. Cher has been on numerous tv shows on at least three different television networks. Saying that she had only one appearance is absurd. Cher was on MTV on at least 5 different occasions. Following her episode on My Super Sweet 16, she returned to MTV studios for the season 4 reunion. Also with MTV, she was titled the My Super Sweet 16 "allstar" and was paid to host the My Super Sweet 16 marathon. She also hosted an MTV show which searched for the next super sweet sixteener, in which a teenager would be given a super sweet sixteen party in her honor. She was further paid by MTV to help Stefanie, the winner of the search for the next super sweet sixteener, plan her party. Moreover, in her appearance on The Montel Williams show, she did not speak about her MTV show, but rather about how having money does not mean one has to be spoiled. On the show a psychologist considered Cher to be a good example of how being spoiled does not depend on one's wealth. Cher is a good role model for many children. Although her appearances on television are what she is most notable for, she is also active in the community as she is currently the president of the Clearwater chapter of the United Synagogue Youth. Phattyg3 (talk) 07:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)Phattyg

• delete case of WP:BLP1E.cf38^talk 09:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per above, written as an advertisement for herself and hardly notable as a 15 minutes of fame "star". Just because one got on TV a few times doesn't make one worthy for inclusion in an encyclopedia (try MySpace for somewhere to plaster a name). The fact that Phattyg3 is arguing with such gusto in favor of the article and it's subject make me think a conflict of interest is also involved here. Pumpmeup 10:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
• "Cher put on a great party with music, magic, and dancing". Wow! Staggeringly non-notable person. Delete. Lankiveil (talk) 11:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC).
• Delete Seems to be bit part role in one or two places. Maybe self-puffery? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.39.228 (talk) 12:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
• Comment According to Wikipedia, "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." There have been multiple reliable secondary sources published about Cher that are independent of the subject. Not only did the St. Petersberg Times write two artciles about Cher, but if you type her name in google, there are over 850 websites mentioning her. I am sure that number is more than some of the people on Wikipedia. Her notability is undeniable. Phattyg3 (talk) 16:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC)PhattyG3
  • Counting Google Web hits is not research. The actual figure is 189 for M. Hubsher. According to Google Web there are approximately 150 web pages that mention me, by pseudonym alone, and not a single one of them is a source for a biographical article. What constitutes research is actually reading those 189 web pages to see whether any of them are non-trivial published works from independent sources that document this person. Uncle G (talk) 17:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been listed among the Arts and entertainment Announcements for WikiProject Biography. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 19:01, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

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