Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Kadau (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Guerillero | My Talk 06:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie Kadau[edit]

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Non-notable editor at Mad Magazine. References and coverage are trivial mentions of editor, not in-depth articles about the individual. Fails WP:BIO. reddogsix (talk) 09:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hi. And thanks for this discussion. First let me just say why I created the page, perhaps it has no place in this discussion, and if so, please tell me, since it is one of the factors I use when looking for ways to add to Wikipedia. I created the page because Charlie is referenced in at least 2 other Wikipedia pages, and I felt it would benefit the site to have an actual link to those references. Second, I'd like to address the comment regarding him being not notable. Other than John Ficarra, Charlie and his writing partner, Joe Raiola are the two longest lasting editors at MAD. Charlie has almost half again as many contributions to the magazine as Joe (although Joe has several other significant contributions outside MAD, which Charlie lacks). Third, let me discuss the citations. Not going to argue the fact that the articles are not in-depth about Charlie, but they are accurate and credible, which is what I was going for.

If you don't agree with my arguments, and intend to delete the article, might I suggest that you leave it up for a few weeks. I'll be trying to find better sources to augment it. Regardless, I really appreciate your input, I'm new at this and trying to find my way so I can make valid contributions. Onel5969 (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. One other thing, when reviewing Wikipedia's Notability Guideline, I would posit that Charlie meets the "additional criteria" for creative people in reference to numbers 1 & 3 in that list: Charlie is regarded as an important person in the eyes of his peers, and he is one of the largest contributors to the body of work known as MAD magazine. Onel5969 (talk) 16:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - Consider this a bit of a combination of WP:IAR and WP:AUTHOR. I looked for, but could not find the usual significant coverage that would be needed to support notability. On the other hand, point #3 for creative professionals indicate that people who have a major role in the creation of a well-known collective body of work that has coverage does qualify. I think MAD magazines certainly qualifies as such a body of work, and Kadau's position(s) at the magazine over a long period of time can be verified. -- Whpq (talk) 17:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above. Co-creator of a body of work, significant role. -- GreenC 05:43, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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