Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Berstad

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The result was speedy keep. T. Canens (talk) 20:15, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Berstad[edit]

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The subject of this article does not appear to meet the general notability guideline or the WP:NFOOTBALL guideline for association football players. PROD was contested with the comment “has played 303 matches in the top league in Norway & won the national cup in 1993”, however no sources were added to verify these claims, and I am unable to find significant independent coverage in reliable sources. Onthegogo (talk) 22:44, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. -- JN 466 22:59, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - I found several sources which corroborate the disputed facts of this person's career. See [1] and [2]. Also, he appears to pass WP:NFOOTBALL, which states that "Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully-professional league (as detailed here), will generally be regarded as notable." And if you click on the link to WP:FPL, you'll see that Tippeligaen is considered a fully professional league. —SW— ^express 04:31, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The sources you listed above provide no significant coverage of the person. And being named as a coach is not the same as being the manager of team. This article needs to be supported by references to verify that he has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Onthegogo (talk) 05:21, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 17:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - 300 appearances in the Norwegian top professional league? Clearly neets WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 17:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Geschichte (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - That is the claim, but what is missing is WP:Verifiability. Show me a reliable source that he has played in a top league and I will withdraw my nomination. Onthegogo (talk) 21:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that this is a Norwegian athlete, so sources may not be easy to find for those who do not regularly access Norwegian sources and/or speak Norwegian. In any case, in the sources that are easily findable, it's clear that he has played in hundreds of games for a pro team, therefore satisfying WP:NFOOTBALL. See [3][4][5][6][7]. Unless, of course, you think that someone is playing an elaborate hoax by inserting Charles Berstad into all of these various unrelated norwegian football websites. —SW— ^babble 21:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I should not need to remind you of WP:Verifiability: the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Onthegogo (talk) 21:49, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiability is precisely what has been demonstrated above. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Tippeligaen has been fully professional for nearly 20 years. I've found a page on Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation that confirms he made 303 appearances in the Norwegian top division which I will add now. Argyle 4 Life^talk 16:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw nomination per reliable source added to article by Argyle 4 Life. Onthegogo (talk) 03:23, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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