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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP for Channel One Cup (football). There was no consensus regarding the other subsidiary articles. However some comments indicated support for a merger of the subsidiary articles but I suggest discussing this on the Channel One Cup (football) talk page first and then bringing those articles back to AfD in a dedicated discussion later if needed. As far as this discussion is concerned, there was no consensus for a deletion or merger of the subsidiary articles. (non-admin closure) — Keithbob • Talk • 18:56, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Channel One Cup (football)[edit]

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PROD removed with the reason of "good known tournament, plz start a full discussion." I disagree, and believe the original PROD rationale of "non-notable friendly competition, not significantly covered in reliable sources" remains valid. GiantSnowman 13:28, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for the exact same reason:

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:31, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. No reason to delete this articles. Big coverage in Russian/Ukrainian media, not only in sports media, for example see [1] [2] [3] etc. Best clubs of the leagues took part in it. Potentially impact to create the United Russia-Ukraine league in future [4]. Similar notability as for other 2013 friendly tournaments. NickSt (talk) 15:45, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. This tournament had a lot of media coverage in Russia and Ukraine as well as other former Soviet states. I am always baffled when people with no knowledge in certain topics will take it upon themselves to rid Wikipedia of articles that don't matter to them just because they never heard of them. This nomination for deletion is a just another example of WP:Bias, because certain editors only want to present the "Anglophone Wikipedian's version of the world." --BoguSlav 00:59, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please can you evidence that significant coverage? Your unfounded accusations of BIAS show how weak your claims are, you are grasping at straws. GiantSnowman 09:25, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again, you illustrate my point. YOU don't know about this topic, therefore it must be not important. But, since you ask, I will spend some of my time showing some examples.
Here is a list of the news articles on ua-football.com from December 2008 (just one month):
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Lets try another major Ukrainian football website, terrikon.com, looking just for the month of December 2008:
  1. [21]
  2. [22]
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I can do the same thing for websites such as sport-express.ru, football.ua, sports.ru, sport.ua, hotsport.ua, comments.ua/sport, ua.championat.com, sportbox.ru, ukrfootball.kiev.ua, dynamomania.com, ukrainianfootball.com as well as many others which will all have a lot of coverage of this tournament. Anything who follows football in Ukraine, Russia, and the former Soviet states would know of this tournament.--BoguSlav 20:24, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Good job! Kills any argument for "deletion" (which weren't even made so far). 176.26.247.147 (talk) 08:37, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all, non-notable pre-season friendly tournament. season articles are clear contraventions of WP:NSEASONS. Fenix down (talk) 16:07, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 04:44, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, obviously. While it existed it got huge coverage and it's cancellation (mostly due to Abramovich not wanting to invest in it anymore because of other businesses) had a big effect. Organizers of many other tournaments like the United Tournament mentioned this tournament as an inspiration, which shows it has legacy. The fact is, it got much more coverage and weight than the CIS Cup, and in fact "stole the spotlight" from it. The links are in the article, hope whoever nominated the article will now look at them. 176.26.247.147 (talk) 08:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Clearly notable as shown by Nickst and by BoguSlav, whose expressed concern about mitigating English Wikipedia's inherent geographic systemic bias is also valid. The annual articles may be excessive in detail, and could possibly be merged into the main article, but that question can presumably be handled through normal editing processes.--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep I disagree that the notability here is clear. There is a little meat on the bone though, mostly in the cancellation story, and the legacy. Gigs (talk) 17:39, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep parent article, merge any useful content from season articles into parent and then delete the seasons. There appears to be a decent amount of coverage for the competition, but individual pages for a few unsourced football results for each of three years and a couple of sentences for the cancelled year is excessive, and wouldn't swamp the parent. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:51, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The tournament was a big deal in the participating countries, and even after its cancellation many similar tournaments, like Match World Cup and the new United Tournament explicitly took the format of the channel one cup and the organisers of those tournaments stated that the success of channel one cup showed them that such a tournament will work. I think this article has right to be on Wikipedia just like the article about the Anglo-Italian cup has a right to be, and definitely has more right then articles about the Manga Cup and Copa del Sol. Sunderland against Di Canio (talk) 14:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point! That tournament is definitely more important in terms of legacy in terms of impact then the Anglo-Italian Cup, the [Anglo-Scottish Cup]], the Audi Cup and the Premier League Asia Trophy, and DEFINITELY more important than the Telekom Cup, Trofeo Santiago Bernabéu and the Joan Gamper Trophy. I smell an anti-East European bias in those nominations to be honest. 176.26.247.147 (talk) 18:09, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep parent article, merge and delete the season-articles per Struway. While this tournament probably is a notable subject, there is no need to have four WP:SPINOFF-articles that covers the same subject. Mentoz86 (talk) 02:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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