Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Changing Lives Ministry

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:59, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Changing Lives Ministry[edit]

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Non-notable online ministry where only claim of notability and significance is having famous guest pastors. Virtually no significant, independent coverage. Chrissymad ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:50, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, yes having famous guest pastors is quite a significant thing. Most ministries and even churches are not able to acquire any guest speakers. Also, CLM has staff in ten countries around the world. That is very notable. Also, they work with a school that has about 4,000 students. Also, they've worked with Knox Theological Seminary, Wheaton College, Gordon College, and Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary who all have their own Wiki pages. I think that any student run ministry that even has colleges and important pastors working with them on such a scale should be quite notable. Usually students will never work with famous organizations without being extremely high quality and special. AllihaveisChrist (talk) 22:00, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

comment - @AllihaveisChrist: has CLM had significant coverage from independent, reliable sources? Chrissymad ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes, it does. A lot of the relationships with speakers are not "advertised" majorly by others. That really is not the thing to do for ministries. They are also non-profit so they don't advertise at all. Also, they are part of a school, so everything is advertised within the school not outside. Outsiders obviously cannot go to school chapels. It is still significant again because it is one of the only run student organizations to work with a school and other colleges, etc. But, here is one reference of a major seminary mentioning our name: https://www.knoxseminary.edu/dr-sam-lamerson-preaches-changing-lives-ministry/ They also attached a real audio youtube recording of him speaking. There's more evidence. Thanks for your consideration. AllihaveisChrist (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

comment @AllihaveisChrist: Coverage by independent, reliable sources is not contingent on CLM advertising - coverage happens naturally based on notability. Chrissymad ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes, outside sources won't cover CLM due to it be specifically for a school. What happens in the school stays in the school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AllihaveisChrist (talk • contribs) 23:21, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete - Non-notable, fails to meet WP:WEB or WP:ORG. reddogsix (talk) 22:44, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete (A7) - Completely fails all relevant notability guidelines. Exemplo347 (talk) 23:27, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- The references are sufficient to show that the ministry exists, but they do not show that it is notable in WP terms. It feels like ADVERT. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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