Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casualties of the 2008 Mumbai attacks

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The most valid deletion argument appears to be whether the content is substantial enough to be WP:SPLIT from the main article, and editors should consider themselves free to discuss that further and consider merging/redirection. See relevant policy at WP:ATD. Otherwise, there are WP:OSE arguments on both sides, and the purging of the nonnotable names has obviated the WP:NOTMEMORIAL argument, a potential change that should have been considered WP:BEFORE bringing it to AFD. postdlf (talk) 15:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Casualties of the 2008 Mumbai attacks[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a memorial. The previous debate seemed to have a lot of people involved who were merely giving emotional statements instead of quoting policy. I cannot find any other article like this on the wikipedia that gives solely a list of victims, which this article basically is. It is a list of people who were killed and nothing else. I have already added salvageable material to the mumbai attacks article. To be frank there is no need to keep this article FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 05:31, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

merge and delete - the article is well sourced, but as you point out -- morbid. I would argue that these people for the most part were not notable enough to have an article apart from this incident, but the fact that there were victims and their nationalities I would think belong in the main article 2008_Mumbai_attacks but not as a bare list of names, which is meaningless to most readers. DangerDogWest (talk) 05:55, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@DangerDogWest perhaps you can take a loot at the casualities section in the mumbai attacks section. I have added the material there. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 05:56, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a bit of content can be moved into that article, and leaving that list of names behind. DangerDogWest (talk) 06:08, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but improve - the wall of text of names needs to be broken down. Equivalent to other articles like List of people killed during Euromaidan. —Мандичка^YO 😜 10:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As per above. This terror attack was largest ever terrorist attack on India. Considering that people died at multiple places and people from multiple nations (like US, Australia, Germany, Israel, Canada, France etc) were died in this incident, this deserves an article. It is an encyclopedic subject and it can be improved. --Human3015^TALK 10:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
keep but purge all non-notable names. Casualties of the September 11 attacks is a good example of the level of detail required. An external link to an official list of names should suffice. --Animalparty! (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

9/11 list neared 3,000; this one numbers >170, really not that long of a list. See link above for Euromaidan - it's well referenced and not unwieldy. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Considering that this was probably the most terrifying attempt in India, and that multiple people (of various nationality) were targeted at different places, this topic is notable enough to have a separate article. As far as the issue of similar articles go, Wikimandia provide a good enough example for that. There is certainly some room for improvement but nothing that could warrant deletion. Yash! 03:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Isn't such a vague list of people with red-links who are noted to have died a BLP problem for people of same names who are still living? Example, the article lists Hasina Sheikh (20) (Sheikh Hasina), Abdul Razak (22) (Abdul Razak (disambiguation)), Santosh Yadav (23) (Santosh Yadav), Firoz Khan (44) (Arjun (Firoz Khan)) and there are corresponding people of same name who are living still. Also, few names would be repetitions of people who have died elsewhere; like Mukhtar Sheikh (45) (Sheikh Mukhtar Mohamed Hussein, Sheikh Mukhtar). For clarity, do we plan to write hatnotes on such biographies like "For the person named X who died in 2008 Mumbai attacks please see Casualties of the 2008 Mumbai attacks"? And funny, there is a "Unknown (25)" also listed. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting observation Dharmadhyaksha. While very few might search by the name of the victim, it wouldn't hurt to have such hatnotes (since the repetitions will be seen in few articles only). Yash! 09:06, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per Wikipedia:Stand-alone_lists#Selection_criteria the entries here would fail those three bulleted questions. Only the entries that would pass in this are already included in Category:Victims of the 2008 Mumbai attacks. I would delete the entries in this article which fail WP:NLIST and keep only blue-linked names which are already in the category. I don't see the purpose as well as any encyclopedic value in listing out random names of people in such a obituary like directory. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:29, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this is not a memorial website so the list of casulties is not really needed unless any of them are otherwise notable (that is already have or be notable for a stand-alone wiki article) and they if they are they can be mention in the parent 2008 Mumbai attacks. MilborneOne (talk) 16:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are administrator. Read these articles List of victims of the Babi Yar massacre, List of survivors of Sobibór, List of people killed during Euromaidan. The Avengers (talk) 04:59, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I would say this article is very unnecessary. Should we start creating the causalities of every disaster? Umais Bin Sajjad (talk) 06:06, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep As this is not an article, but a list. The list must be modified accordingly. We have non-notable people here List of people who died climbing Mount Everest , List of victims and survivors of Auschwitz. This page has red linked names List of victims of Nazism. Most victims have no article List of fatal, unprovoked shark attacks in the United States, List of fatal snake bites in the United States, List of skiing deaths. The Avengers (talk) 04:51, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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