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The result was delete per consensus, lack of significant coverage or evidence of notability. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 01:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Casper Stevenson[edit]

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WP:BLP of a young driver who has only competed in very minor series. What coverage there is in reliable sources all seems to be WP:ROUTINE as a part of coverage of the series they have competed in. This Formula Scout and this Autosport article come closest to providing significant coverage, but I believe can still be fairly called routine coverage. As has come up in previous discussions, Formula Scout 's coverage of competitors can almost always be considered routine, even if it is a reliable source which can be considered to provide significant coverage of various junior single-seater series. Similarly, Autosport 's roundups of junior, national, and club racing may be considered significant coverage of the championships or clubs featured, but I don't think they can be fairly called significant coverage of the competitors, even if Autosport is a good source for significant coverage of drivers at higher levels. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 06:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MSport1005: Just bombarding passing mentions and routine coverage isn't helping to show notability. The entirety of the discussion of Stevenson in the first example you give is the sentence "Ginetta Junior racer Casper Stevenson has also recently won a scholarship - this time a prize pot worth £35,000 from British F4 and the series' partners." - this could be used as a reference for that fact, but has no relevance to a notability discussion. Your "The Checkered Flag" article ([9]) may be considered substantial coverage, but the way it is written seems as though they want to say as little as possible about Stevenson himself and instead talk about other drivers. The person who gave the award is even quoted as saying "It wasn’t just about the ultimate winner" when referring to the event. A7V2 (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with A7V2 here. Coverage has to be substantial to prove notability, not routine. 5225C (talk • contributions) 04:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Euroformula Open is an exceedingly minor series which generally receives very little coverage. WP:BLPs require significant coverage of their subjects, not just passing mentions in coverage of the events they participated in. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's a bit of a contradiction, isn't it? I can understand A7V2's and 5225C's comments, but Euroformula Open definitely isn't an "exceedingly minor series". It's immediately below FIA F3, used to be one of the major Formula Three series until it recently switched to the Dallara 320 (built to F1 security standards instead of F3, and much faster than the FR Tatuus) and has always received significant coverage (particularly in Spanish and Italian)... which you seem to accept in your second sentence. The matter with Stevenson, as he has competed in notable series, is whether he has actually received significant independent coverage. MSport1005 (talk) 14:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not speaking on behalf of HumanBodyPiloter5, but in my humble opinion Euroformula Open is a minor series that receives little coverage and publicity. I consider anything below FIA F3 to be minor given F3 itself tends to receive barely enough coverage to justify articles for its drivers. I would place emphasis on your comment that it used to be one of the major Formula Three series – at present, it isn't. Either way I still support deletion here, Stevenson hasn't received the coverage necessary. 5225C (talk • contributions) 14:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at present, it isn't" — well, yeah, because it no longer technically qualifies as a Formula Three series...
    Your previous sentence confuses me: how does F3 receive "barely enough coverage to justify articles for its drivers"? A quick internet search returns in excess of 5 million results, of which roughly one million are news — and that's only for this season. Not that it's relevant to this AfD anyway. MSport1005 (talk) 15:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It only matters how notable the series is now, not how notable it was in the past or how notable previous seasons were. At present, it is small and relatively obscure to those who don't follow junior motorsport. Regarding F3, it does receive plenty of coverage as a series, but in my experience with F3 driver articles this coverage of the series rarely translates into coverage of the competitors. Of course some receive more attention than others, but it's really only at the F2 level that drivers become unambiguously notable. 5225C (talk • contributions) 15:22, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do not share your view regarding F3. As for Euroformula, I understand your point, but within motorsport and not just junior formulae, it's a fairly recognisable and important series. And again, because it seems I didn't come across clear enough: Euroformula remains as notable as ever, what has changed is it's no longer a Formula Three series. MSport1005 (talk) 15:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can confirm it is. If he isn't notable enough yet—which I think he is—, I expect him to be in the near future, so I have opted to save it to the draftspace to keep working on it until then. MSport1005 (talk) 14:49, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Clarkcj12 (talk) 04:47, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The autosport piece is a routine weekend races recap with non-significant coverage of Stevenson, who is one of many, many racers whose performance is reported here. None of the other refs offered in the AfD are remotely SIGCOV either:
Coverage of the subject from MSport's list of sources
1: "Ginetta Junior racer Casper Stevenson has also recently won a scholarship - this time a prize pot worth £35,000 from British F4 and the series' partners."
2: "The inaugural F4 Scholarship winner Casper Stevenson was also one to watch. Another Ginetta graduate, he was yet to take the top step of the podium, but he had already convinced Double R Racing and then Argenti Motorsport he was a race-winner in the making... Stevenson finally got the monkey off his back with his first car racing victory at Silverstone. And both Stevenson and O’Sullivan were racking up the podium finishes... O’Sullivan and Stevenson had been whittling away his championship advantage, but not at the rate one would expect when looking at their podium tally."
3: "A trionfare è stato Casper Stevenson, alla sua prima vittoria nella categoria, davanti a Cem Bolukbasi e Filip Kaminiarz."
4: "Also running this winter is Porsche GB’s annual shootout to become one of its junior drivers, and Euroformula race-winner Casper Stevenson is on the longlist of drivers in contention for that."
5: "Casper Stevenson has been crowned victor of the inaugural F4 British Championship certified by FIA – powered by Ford EcoBoost Scholarship prize, after an assessment day at Silverstone... Stevenson, who spent the day with 2019 Teams Cup champions Double R Racing, takes home a £35,000 prize fund to put towards a British F4 campaign in 2020... [quotes by subject]... Stevenson faced stiff competition, with drivers including reigning Ginetta Junior champion James Hedley and Vice-Champion Zak O’Sullivan also taking part in the day."
6: "Two successes for Cameron Das and one for Casper Stevenson in Monza, the penultimate act of the Euroformula Open 2021... RACE-2: CASPER STEVENSON STANDS OUT IN THE WET AND WINS THE ROOKIE TITLE

Second joy in 2021 for Casper Stevenson, master in the rain and new champion in the ranking reserved for rookies... Briton Casper Stevenson (Van Amersfoort Racing) led the line of cars for the first few passes, a situation that remained so even at the green flag.

The situation changed in the last few minutes with the Turkish Cem Bolukbasi (Van Amersfoort Racing) trying to take command of the operations. The # 74 attacked the teammate until the last lap without succeeding in his goal."
7: This is a sponsored press release. Richardson Racing is a client of the article's author, Matt Salisbury, therefore it is not an independent source. This really highlights one of the major challenges in using industry publications for notability.
Since NSPORT is subordinate to GNG, it's irrelevant whether he meets a sport-specific guideline. JoelleJay (talk) 20:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • He doesn't pass WP:NMOTORSPORT anyway. 5225C (talk • contributions) 01:07, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • A couple are just passing mentions, as I said. #2 is definitely not routine but I concede it fails NSPORT. I didn't notice #7 was a press release, so apologies for that one. However, #5, #6 and #8 (which interestingly, you overlooked) could be used to establish significant coverage. MSport1005 (talk) 16:11, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah I had opened #8 and then a bunch of tabs tracking down Matt Salisbury and must have closed it when I closed those tabs. #5 and #6 combined have under 180 words of independent coverage directly on the subject, and both are routine reports of race outcomes anyway. #8 is a 125-word blurb among many blurbs on junior motorsport racers by an anonymous author in an outlet that specifically focuses on junior motorsports racers. We have no idea who the staff writers are other than Peter Allen, nor their affiliations, so this non-trivial (but still not significant) source should be only weakly considered for notability purposes. JoelleJay (talk) 05:02, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - All sources are WP:ROUTINE, even #8 that was left out by JoelleJay; a "20 drivers to watch" list that features a small blurb about subject winning a scholarship in a test (not a championship, just some monies to help him sign with a team). Complete lack of SIGCOV from all above sources. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 17:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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