Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casa Ricci Social Services

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The result was redirect to Luis Ruiz Suárez. Anything worth merging is available from the article history. Randykitty (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Casa Ricci Social Services[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Is in fact a part of Caritas Macau with insufficient notability for a separate article. The Banner talk 12:15, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This recounts the history of Casa Ricci Social Services since the 1950s and its evolution that has been independent of Caritas Macau, which began only in 1971. The references show its own notability: "Today, CRSS currently runs 50 programs distributed in 13 provinces in China with 64 Leprosy centers for a total of 4,000 leprosy affected patients, five (5) HIV homes with a total of 40 children, 300 HIV+ mothers/adult, 200 adults at risk of affecting AIDS, and 1500 students from poor families". It antedated Caritas Macau whose services focus on metropolitan Macau, while CRSS serves all of China and beyond, with help from the Ricci Social Service Foundation. Jzsj (talk) 18:18, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As usual, the case here is sourcing. When you cut out the related sources and obits, more then half of the sources is gone. Then you are left with passing mentions and an address book. WP:RS please. The Banner talk 09:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where does Wikipedia say that obits, with considerable information on the subject in independent newspapers, cannot be used to verify what is said on the organization's website?

A careful check of the reference numbers reveals the following sources that are not "produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website" (WP:GNG).:

2 government record of charter giving nature of Ricci foundation

3 government stamp establishing the Jesuit presence in Macau social services in 1569

8 travel guide produced by a source independent of Fr. Lu, giving his history in brief

9 diocesan newspaper reporting on an anniversary of Fr. Lu's work

10 magazine of the Chinese Jesuits, reporting on the international connections of the leprosy work of Casa Ricci Social Service

11 reproduction of Fr. Lu's obit in the Sunday Examiner

12 obit of Fr. Lu in the Macau Daily Times

13 Catholic News Philippines report reflecting on Fr. Lu's work with refugees

14 long report at Fr. Lu's death, in the Asian Catholic News Service, including input from readers

1 and 4 give credible accounts of the work of Casa Ricci on its website, largely substantiated above

5,6,7 give an extensive historical account of Fr. Lu's work on the Caritas website Jzsj (talk) 11:14, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there is enough coverage including information from obituaries which is permitted for a pass of WP:GNG, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Although there are two keep votes and no supporting deletion beyond the OP's, I am concerned that too many of the sources cited by the principle Keep advocate are related to the subject. Therefore I am re-opening the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 17:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect – for now at least – to Caritas Macau, which according to this source is what this now is ("... the Ricci Centre for Social Services, now the Macau branch of Caritas ..."); we surely do not need two articles on the same institution, particularly if one of them is as poorly sourced as this one. Whether Caritas Macau is notable by our standards remains to be seen; Luis Ruiz Suárez most certainly is – the obituaries, are, not surprisingly, almost entirely about him rather than any organisation he founded, and it may be that the article about him would provide better overall coverage of this topic. I don't read Chinese, but of the two obituaries that I can read, the Macau Daily Times has only the passing mention of this institution already quoted above, while the CathNews Philippines source has only a photo credit; that's far short of the level of in-depth coverage required by WP:NCORP. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:20, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Luis Ruiz Suárez.My views entirely align with JLN, except that I am not sure about the notability of Caritas Macau, either whereas LRS is definitely notable.∯WBG^converse 07:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment plus, Caritas Macau is a totally separate thing. This article is Suárez's work so it should be merged or redirected there. Redditaddict6 9 11:39, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kirbanzo (talk) 01:32, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Luis Ruiz Suárez per User:Winged Blades of Godric. Information is valuable but not enough to retain its status as a separate article. Redditaddict6 9 11:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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