Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmine Nigro

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The result was speedy keep. (NAC) --J.Mundo (talk) 03:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Carmine Nigro

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Has a couple of human-interest obituaries from reliable sources after he died because of the happenstance that he was Bobby Fischer's chess coach by virtue of the happenstance of being president of the chess club where Fischer first started playing, but wasn't independently notable otherwise, and notability does not transfer. WP:ONEEVENT, WP:BIO. Tagged since 9/2007 without improvement. THF (talk) 13:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• Keep or merge with Bobby Fischer.
  WP:PRESERVE Whatever you do, endeavour to preserve information. Instead of removing, try to... no active effort was made to improve this article before deletion.
  Wikipedia:Notability states: "If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself." no active effort was made to find sources before nomination.
  WP:INTROTODELETE "Remember that deletion is a last resort. Deletion nominations rarely improve articles, and deletion should not be used as a way to improve an article" Just because an article was tagged since 9/2007, deletion should not be used as a way to improve the article.
  WP:ONEEVENT, WP:BIO are actually the same page, a guideline fork of Wikipedia:Notability mentioned above. Parent article Wikipedia:Notability was not followed.
  Articles exceeds notability guidelines because of the article in the New York Times and the 407 pages on google news.[1] Again, "If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself." this was clearly not done. Ikip (talk) 17:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Again, noone disputes the existence of reliable sources. Reliable sources do not equal notability. There's nothing to expand: Bobby Fischer nicely called him a good chess teacher, and that's the only thing that's ever merited press. THF (talk) 19:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• Keep A NYT obit is generally considered an unambiguous indication of notability. Jfire (talk) 20:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep 407 gnews hits , with obits in the NYT, the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune and the Miami Herald at the top? The existence of such sources are what defines wiki-notability. Essentially, reliable sources do equal notability - the usual abbreviation is 2RS=N. Notability not transferring means that we shouldn't be doing the "transferring" (If one wants to call this notability by inheritance or transference.) If tons of RS's do, as here, we just emulate their transference. John Z (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep on the basis of the obit in the NY Times. We quite correctly consider this a proof of notability, on the basis of their selectivity. They are the experts at this, and much better judges of such things than we are, though their level is much higher than ours even for the fields of human life they take account of. The other information would be sufficient without it. though. All this should have been found by the nominator. But FWIW, 2RS is, by our present rules, not proof of notability, only presumptive indication of it. DGG (talk) 23:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
• I'll withdraw to permit the WP:SNOW closure, though I don't agree as a prescriptive matter that New York Times obituaries equal notability. If Bobby Fischer lived in the Bronx instead of Brooklyn, the Times wouldn't be covering his death. THF (talk) 23:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.