Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capitola Dickerson

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The result was delete. The "delete" !votes have the stronger policy-based arguments. Randykitty (talk) 15:59, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Capitola Dickerson[edit]

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Single obituary and two other references were mentioned in relation to somebody else. scope_creep^Talk 12:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Ms. Dickerson, when alive, had a huge and positive influence on successive generations of piano students. Today she's revered and respected and considered as an icon in our town, honored by the mayor and by the town not only because of her lifetime of service to the community but for being a civil rights activist. Even though she never made much money, every Thanksgiving she would feed the homeless. There is an effort underway of putting up a statue of her on the town green. Her pupil Tom Varner went on to become a famous jass musician. This article meets Wikipedia's requirements, with substantial coverage here and here and here, mentioned as a singing teacher in this book. Despite the huge cultural biases in Wikipedia and in society against African-Americans and against women, Capitola Dickerson shone like a bright light.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:07, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Whether she had a positive influence is neither here nor there. The references above are passing mentions in the whole and don't consitute Depth of coverage. scope_creep^Talk 13:53, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The lifetime of positive influence is why she earned reliable coverage in the media.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Reliable coverage" is a conflation of two different things - the sources need to be reliable, the coverage also needs to be significant. Melcous (talk) 14:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV] - no one is questioning her positive influence on people or local respect. But wikipedia's notability guidelines have not been met. The 3 references mentioned above as "significant" are (1) an obituary; (2) a passing reference by a student in a context that is pretty clear it is not meant to be someone anyone else is familiar with; and (3) local coverage of her retirement. The fact that students she taught went on to become notable themselves is irrelevant - notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Melcous (talk) 14:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Melcous, do you have dirty hands here? Before you posted Delete, you edited down the article.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How on earth is that "dirty hands"? I removed some unsourced non-notable content from the article - I agree that what remains that is sourced does not meet the definition of significant coverage. Please WP:AGF. Melcous (talk) 21:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tomwsulcer: That is two personal attacks you have made, which means you strayed into the territory of administration. I would give it a swerve in the future, unles your are looking to be indeff blocked. scope_creep^Talk 23:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete due to the lack of WP:SIGCOV. Locally she was notable, but I don't see anything besides that which makes her notable enough to warrant an article on Wikipedia. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Solely local coverage and awards generally is not considered significant coverage on Wikipedia. Therefore, the subject fails WP:BASIC. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 15:11, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as local coverage is perfectly acceptable for a subject such as this (a person rather than a company or organisation). Also there is nothing at all wrong with using a newspaper obituary which in this case of the Star Ledger has significant coverage as does reference 1, passes WP:GNG and there is no valid reason for deletion at all in my view, particularly that "locally she was notable" Atlantic306 (talk) 03:40, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Except, the normal practice for more than decade now is two obits to make a person notable. Another case of systemic bias. scope_creep^Talk 12:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.