Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bully Stop

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The result was delete. This may well become notable, but at the moment it isn't. Ged UK 10:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bully Stop[edit]

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Sorry for the delay completing the nomination - my internet connection died just as I was about to send it. Anyway, I prodded this and the author objected on the talk page, so I'll take it as contested. This article is about a mobile phone application which is meant to stop bullying by mobile, which is a worthy cause, but we don't put articles in Wikipedia based on worthiness. No sign of notability, zero coverage on GNews/Ghits other than the Wikipedia article. I stopped short of speedy deletion because there's a slight claim through: 1) Apparently being endorsed by Trinity College Dublin's Anti Bullying Centre, and 2) a claim that it's the first mobile network-independent anti-bullying application. However, I can't verify either of these claims, and even if they are verified, I think it's too trivial to pass notability. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 18:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails basic criteria of being notable by non-trivial third party sources. Miami33139 (talk) 19:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TonycVmad (talk) 11:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC) In reply to Chris Neville-Smith. I have changed my description for Bully Stop, I have removed the reference to Trinity College Dublin Anti Bullying Centre, because you say you have no way of verifying this. I have contact TCD for them to edit the page, I have been told this will happen.[reply]

With regard to your "No sign of notability," comment, surely an application that is the world's first that help children from being cyber-bullied is notable.

I trust the page will left as is.

With regard to your "zero coverage on GNews/Ghits " comment, the application is new, it will take time before it's picked up.

With regard to your "I think it's too trivial to pass notability" comment. Again, surley an application that help children from being bullied is not trivial, bullying and cyber-bullying via mobile phones, is by no means trivial.

Firstly, you need to read Wikipedia's guidelines on notability if you haven't done so already. Articles are judged as notable or not depending on how much coverage they have received in reliable independent third-party sources, and the fact that a product is new doesn't change that. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and does not include articles simply because someone speculates it might be notable in the future. They have the be notable now, and things that become notable later get an article then and not before.

Claiming that something is the world's first x can count in favour for notability, but at the very least, that claim has to be verified by reliable independent sources (and even that might not be enough if there's zero third-party non-trivial coverage). Yes, the subject of cyber-bullying is notable, but that doesn't mean any piece of software designed to stop it is notable too. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 23:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It's just an ad. The only actual source is ad copy from the manufacturer. Mangoe (talk) 17:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.