Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddhism, the Fulfilment of Hinduism

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Rationale: The !votes to keep the article are greater both in number and strength; one editor suggested a merge, which gained insufficient traction for consensus, and the only voice calling for deletion other than the nominator did so unconvincingly. (non-admin closure) ——SN 54129 12:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Buddhism, the Fulfilment of Hinduism[edit]

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Redundant and insufficiently notable. We already have an article called Swami Vivekananda at the Parliament of the World's Religions (1893). Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 13:47, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Buddhism-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:50, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:50, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this is obviously notable topic. It has got coverage in multiple books regarding Swami Vivekananda. -- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 16:13, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That is not sufficient for a notable event. The subject doesn't meet WP:LASTING and WP:GEOSCOPE. Though the Swami's contributions to the parliament as a whole may have some impact beyond India, I don't see this particular speech as having any such international impact, let alone a lasting international impact. All i see is a clear case of blatant WP:SOAPBOXING. Though I have already removed some unsourced content in the article, the problems remains that the subject is misleading in that it claims importance for merely a particular lecture given on one particular conference, with the only evidence of impact being four words in a Bengali scholar's book published by a religious organisation.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:40, 4 November 2019 (UTC) Expanded.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment coverage in multiple books Only two of which are secondary, reliable sources, that is, King 2013 and Amore 1979. The rest of the references used in the article are all primary.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this seems to be an important speach that is supported by WP:RS. I WP:AGF on the WP:V of the sources.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Swami Vivekananda at the Parliament of the World's Religions. There is very little non-primary source content that isn't already present in that article. The only sourced assertion of notability or influence comes from a publication by a foundation that exists to promote the work of Vivekananda's teacher Ramakrishna calling the speech 'historic'. --Spasemunki (talk) 20:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:49, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge as above. Has at least 2 decent academic RS, & gets an avge 11 views a day, which isn't bad for a lecture from 1897, so I don't agree with the nom (which was foolish not to mention a merge). Johnbod (talk) 15:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment which was foolish not to mention a merge @Johnbod: But you don't want a merge?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:07, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't much mind. But there's a decent case for a merge rather than keep, and no case for a straight delete. Johnbod (talk) 22:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Johnbod, then would you mind changing your vote to merge? Thanks.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 08:38, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I would. Johnbod (talk) 11:10, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this article as Swami Vivekananda was one of the most famous spiritual leader/poet of India, and one of the greatest historical figures of the 20th century. This talk was one of the most historical event for the Indian diaspora, as the first person of Indian origin making a religious discourse in the US, let alone outside of India. However, I would suggest improving the article instead to articulate better for readers and users. Additionally, references or links could be included.Hari147 (talk) 15:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article. The premise is false. Make another page for tthe Swami. The title has it backward. Buddhism predates Hinduism. Buddha lived some 4,600 years ago, probably in the Indus Valley where a civilization arose which traded with the Sumerians across the western mountains. Hindu arose a few hundred years later, about 4,300 years ago. Hpfeil (talk) 03:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whether his arguments in the lecture are correct is not at all relevant. And all modern historians use dates different to those by 2,000 years or so. Johnbod (talk) 05:37, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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