Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buck breaking

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Buck breaking[edit]

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I've tried searching, and as far as I can tell, other than the cited MEL source, there are no reliable sources that cover the concept of "Buck breaking" in anything more than a passing mention. I could either see a redirect to Tariq Nasheed, who made a (dubiously accurate) film regarding the concept, or to Treatment of slaves in the United States#Rape and sexual abuse, but I am not sure either is better than outright deletion. Unreliable sources seem to use the term "Buck breaking" to refer to a doubtfully historical practice of ritual sexual abuse of male Black slaves for which there is no historical evidence, but there are no reliable sources that seem to elaborate this. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and United States of America. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Discrimination and Internet. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:09, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's a hoax [1]. I suppose you could have an article about the hoax, but I don't see the point, as there is no coverage of this "thing" anyway. Oaktree b (talk) 21:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Treatment of slaves in the United States#Rape and sexual abuse or delete. If I were writing a textbook about bad Wikipedia articles, this would be chapter one, page one. From the lead, it seems we are in a state of extreme confusion: Buck breaking, or buck busting, is an internet meme used by the far-right to refer to the sexual abuse of male Black slaves by their white male masters. So is it, uh... a historical practice? An alleged historical practice? A hoax? This doesn't matter, apparently: it's a "meme", so we are to examine it exclusively from the perspective of what types of people on the Internet use this particular phrase. How absurd is that? It's as if our article on Caesar's crossing of the Rubicon called it a "narrative motif" and you had to get halfway through the article before it mentioned whether or not it actually happened. In this case, yes, it seems this form of sexual abuse did indeed happen, and furthermore that nobody in any kind of serious literature calls it by this specific name, so it seems kind of pointless for us to have this article... it is a slang term, so a redirect might be justified. jp×g 00:05, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote this version of the lead as I felt it reflected the limited actual reliable sourcing available from MEL magazine, which repeatedly referred to it as a meme. I agree that it's not great, but I really didn't have a better idea for an alternative. The original version before all the unreliable sources were removed was even worse imo. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:12, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as it's a concept exclusively covered in fringe sources and of no encyclopedic interest as it stands. Good Morning Captain (talk) 18:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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