Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buchanan Hotel, Townsville
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The result was withdrawn by nominator. NAC by—S Marshall Talk/Cont 10:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC) [reply]
Buchanan Hotel, Townsville[edit]
- Nomination withdrawn. The hotel appears on a nationally issued stamp which gives it significant coverage in Australia. --AussieLegend (talk) 18:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Declined prod (no reason given), unreferenced article with no assertion of notability. The article was originally created with the only content being an infobox (the wrong one) that the editor had copied from Sydney Tower, and two short sentences.[1] Another editor added copyrighted material from this site.[2] This included an image that has since been deleted as a copyvio. I've attempted to improve the article by removing the copyrighted material and replacing the infobox (this three storey pub was most certainly not a skyscraper) but the article is still an unreferenced stub that doesn't assert notability. While the article could be expanded, I'm not interested in doing so and apparently neither was the person who declined the prod.[3] Since the hotel's name was, according to the site from which the copyrighted text was added, "Buchanan's Hotel" and not "Buchanan Hotel", the article would best be recreated from scratch at the correct page, if anyone feels the unlikely urge to do so, rather than moving the current version there. AussieLegend (talk) 11:57, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- RE: Buchanan/Buchanan's, the state department transcript of LBJ's speech - the most reputable source we have so far - that mentions the hotel calls it Buchanan. May well be wrong, but until we can know for certain, I've added a "(also Buchanan's Hotel)" to the article and ultimately we can redirect folks who search for one to the other...Vivisel (talk) 17:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete don't see how this hotel is notable. lack of coverage [4]. a visit by a US president does not make this hotel notable. LibStar (talk) 14:08, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Looks like he didn't just visit, he mentioned the hotel in a speech while president...added to article. Seems to me that this is a piece of US military history and AU history, as well as US presidential history. There's an interesting story about the officer with whom LBJ shared a room (and a bed) while there at this page [5] that nearly ended in LBJ's premature death. not sure if if can be worked in, but wanted to point out. Also, adding some citations. Vivisel (talk) 17:24, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Mentioned" is all he did. "Things are much calmer and much more peaceful here in Townsville today at the Buchanan Hotel than they were when I was here 24 years ago." That's it, other than confirming that he stayed in Australia on one night in 1942. Well, part of a night. He left at midnight for New Guinea. The other reference in the article, which is of that speech, doesn't even show Buchanan Hotel. The passage is from four paragraphs further on. I don't see how that's notable. --AussieLegend (talk) 17:50, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The more I look, the more this is clearly notable. Featured in a postal stamp series along with the Sydney Opera House as a beautiful australian building. Everywhere it's mentioned is a comment about its unusual beauty or standout qualities. See the google book search - I regret that they're all snippet view but you can see in the search the terms that are used to describe the building. [6] - check it out! How many regular old buildings have been featured on national stamps and visited by presidents? There are articles in a Townsville newspaper (one of them's cited, the other didn't contain anything terribly useful) over 20 years after the building was destroyed, asking after its iron facade. this was not any old building! Also note this reference to it in AU parliament as a "famous building". Vivisel (talk) 18:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I concede that issue on a stamp makes it notable. Not sure about a flying visit by a US president who couldn't get the name right though. The iron is nothing special. Every town in Australia has a pub that looks like Buchanan's. I'll withdraw the nom. --AussieLegend (talk) 18:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The more I look, the more this is clearly notable. Featured in a postal stamp series along with the Sydney Opera House as a beautiful australian building. Everywhere it's mentioned is a comment about its unusual beauty or standout qualities. See the google book search - I regret that they're all snippet view but you can see in the search the terms that are used to describe the building. [6] - check it out! How many regular old buildings have been featured on national stamps and visited by presidents? There are articles in a Townsville newspaper (one of them's cited, the other didn't contain anything terribly useful) over 20 years after the building was destroyed, asking after its iron facade. this was not any old building! Also note this reference to it in AU parliament as a "famous building". Vivisel (talk) 18:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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