Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruno Holzträger

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The result was keep‎. I hope some of these newly found foreign language sources find their way into the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Holzträger[edit]

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I do not believe this person is notable enough to have a wikipedia page, though there is enough correctly cited information to possibly warrant the page staying FA Myn J (talk) 02:21, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Handball, Olympics, and Romania. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:20, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Handball at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads per WP:NOLY. Geschichte (talk) 08:38, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arcanum (a Hungarian - not Romanian - newspaper archive) seems to have some coverage of him, including what appears to be a feature story on him from Hermannstädter Zeitung in 1970 (decades after his Olympic participation) - it includes this image which was uploaded to Commons - I can only see a small picture of what the newspaper looks like though before I get a paywall notice so it's hard to tell - @Nenea hartia: Seems to have uploaded the image: do you have access to this source and can you determine whether this coverage on Holztrager is significant? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:08, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11: I don't know what to say. I think he is definitely notable for ro.wiki: he was an Olympic handball player, a handball referee and coach of Karres Mediaș (later renamed Record Mediaș), with which he won the Romanian women's handball championship 3 times.

As for Arcanum, yes, it is a Hungarian newspaper archive, but it also contains hundreds, if not thousands, of Romanian newspapers. Yes, I have access to that source and a search for 'Bruno Holzträger' returned 28 results. His name is mentioned especially in German-language Romanian newspapers. At that time, there was a significant German minority in Romania (about 400,000 people), and handball was introduced to the country by them. In the beginning, there were handball teams only in Romanian cities with a significant German population. Holzträger's name is mentioned in Neuer Weg (the main German-language newspaper), in Sportul Popular (the main Romanian-language sports newspaper), in Curentul, and other national or local newspapers, from 1948 to 1996. If you wish, you can download from here the newspaper pages from which I cropped the photos uploaded to Commons (the link only works for 6 days). 28 references might not seem like much, but the communist press, especially in the 50s, was very strictly controlled and the only 'stars' that could be written about in abundance were the communist dignitaries.

Bruno Holzträger is also mentioned many times in this book about Romanian handball players and coaches of German origin. As you can see, there are enough reliable sources from Romania, but too few international sources. However, I would like the article to be kept if possible. --Nenea hartia (talk) 19:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- @Nenea hartia: That book source is a nice find - with 49 mentions of him, it's almost certainly significant coverage on Holztrager; as for the others, looking at the one clipping, it seems to be mainly an interview? Unfortunately I don't think it would help much. Do any of the other matches for his name cover him in-depth? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: There are a couple. Please use the same link, I have added two more files. For example an article from March 1996 called Ein Mann namens Bruno Holzträger (A man named Bruno Holzträger) or a short obituary from 1978: Bruno Holzträger gestorben (Bruno Holzträger died). Most of the others are generally mentions of him as a handball player, coach, or referee.

There could be other references to him, for example in this big Romanian newspaper archive. Unfortunately, although every scanned pdf has OCR, there is no search engine for the whole database, so a search by Holzträger's name is not possible. --Nenea hartia (talk) 20:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The obit is okay, but the other one is really good. That with the book is enough for notability in my opinion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per the great finds by Nenea hartia, especially the book that mentions him on 49 pages and the last two newspaper articles; his obit mentions that he was one of the "greatest handball players in the world in the 1930s" and the other one is an in-depth piece on his life almost 20 years after he died. We've got enough for a pass of WP:GNG. @Geschichte and FA Myn J: BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, he is clearly notable. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 17:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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