Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brent Hinkley

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Having roles in movies is what actors do, that in itself does not make them notable, only if those roles have generated significant coverage, which does not appear to be the case here. Randykitty (talk) 13:37, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Brent Hinkley[edit]

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Although he appeared in lots of productions, I really can't find any sources that discuss him in detail. I think he does not pass WP:GNG. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. hmssolent^lambast _{patrol records} 01:46, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. hmssolent^lambast _{patrol records} 01:47, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes GNG. Has general notability as an actor. Better sources would be the trade papers, Hollywood Reporter, Dramalogue, etc. SW3 5DL (talk) 22:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But why can't I find those sources? Are they online? By the way, I actually started the article. So, if you're wondering why I'm nomming if for deletion, it is because I didn't even know about GNG when I wrote it. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Search Dramalogue and Hollywood Reporter. Publicists always go there for less well known clients as it's the trades that help get them noticed in the industry, which in turn gets them jobs. You likely won't find him in the NYTimes and LATimes like you'd see leading men, famous directors, etc. I'd keep the article. It definitely meets GNG. You can withdraw the AfD. SW3 5DL (talk) 02:02, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I searched them both and found only http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/theater-reviews-158787 which doesn't discuss him in detail. I still don't see how he passes GNG. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:16, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Anna Frodesiak: I emailed them and asked if they might have something in an offline archive. If they do, I'll post the sources to the article. SW3 5DL (talk) 16:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds great. Many thanks for your diligence. I do hope they reply. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:39, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker ^talk 00:44, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep certainly a recognizable character actor. Character actors get short shrift usually until it is obituary time. --Bejnar (talk) 02:14, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:N. There's lots of mentions of him in a google search, but all just blogs and directory-type listings. Nothing substantial. This just proves that he exists and he's gotten parts, not that he's notable. The best source I could find was a mention in the NY Times, but that's 100% perfunctory. In fact, it looks like it's just a syndicated listing (© 2010 All Media Guide, LLC Portions of content provided by All Movie Guide ®, a trademark of All Media Guide, LLC). -- RoySmith (talk) 13:33, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: He passes GNG. He's a character actor and stage director. This means he doesn't get the heavy coverage that a leading man, like Brad Pitt, gets. But he is mentioned in reviews for his acting and his directing. Here is his IMDB. LATimes blog. He meets GNG. SW3 5DL (talk) 16:10, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The LATimes piece is not about Hinkley. He's not even mentioned until the 7th paragraph, and then only in the context of ...Also appearing [is] the actress Kate Mulligan [...] along with her husband, actor Brent Hinkley. I would use a source like that to verify a fact such as his appearing in a given production, but, IMHO, it doesn't establish notability. And IMDB is a self published source, which should never be used. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:40, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I'd say he passes WP:ACTOR, having quite a few noteworthy roles. WP:GNG isn't required if you pass that, and I'd say with 70+ credits he does. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 23:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but as far as I can see, WP:ACTOR doesn't say anything about notability standards. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I'm seeing a whole bunch of people saying he meets the GNG. Well, how? I'm not seeing any reliable sources being presented (IMDB in particular being explicitly recognised as not a reliable source). Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 02:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Comment: Lankiveil I used the IMDB as an example of his films, not as a reliable source. As per User:Taylor Trescott, he does pass WP:ACTOR and therefore the article can be kept. SW3 5DL (talk) 13:57, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no, Taylor has pointed out that he has a whole bunch of roles like the coveted "Hobnobber #1". If he doesn't meet the WP:GNG, and I don't think he does, then the bio should be deleted due to a lack of notability. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 14:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Comment: Found a biography on Google books here. Does this count? SW3 5DL (talk) 17:34, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a joke, right? Did you look at the description of the "book": Please note that the content of this book primarily consists of articles available from Wikipedia or other free sources online. See also Dicho#Wikipedia_content_duplication. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, no sorry didn't see that. SW3 5DL (talk) 22:12, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - article does not pass WP:NACTOR
Weak Keep - He was a regular on a short lived TV show The Preston Episodes, and two episodes of Carnivàle, which might make him slightly pass Wp:NACTOR#1. He has also appeared in famous movies like Ed Wood and The Silence of the Lambs (I'll have to check if his roles were memorable). --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:52, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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