Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brasserie Les Halles
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure). The article needs better referencing, to be certain, but WP:RS concerns were fully addressed by Phil and Geoff (thanks, guys!). Ecoleetage (talk) 19:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Brasserie Les Halles[edit]
Fails notability requirements per WP:CORP and WP:REST. Note that these restaurants are (were) names after the famous Les Halles in Paris, but are not otherwise related. This may confuse notability searches. Please understand the notability requirements on this (generally, reviews do not confer notability). --Kickstart70TC 06:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. What notability guideline (and I don't mean a proposed guideline containing one person's idiosyncratic view of notability) says that reviews do not confer notability? They confer notability on restaurants in just the same way that reviews confer notability on books, plays, films, exhibitions, musical works etc. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:53, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Brasserie Les Halles is very well known in New York City, and has national notability as a result of being featured on Anthony Bourdain's popular television show and in the title of one of his books. I suppose it's well known elsewhere now as well since additional restaurants have opened. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Always with respect, CoM, but notability needs to be proven...you're using OR :) --Kickstart70TC 06:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I beg to differ. Being featured in a major cookbook and on a major television series (repeatedly) is notability as best I can tell. Plus it's a pretty big deal and an institution of sorts in NY. But I'm often outvoted. So maybe others will have a different take! :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Heck, I don't mind if you are right and I am wrong, but since I don't know the show or the book (likely same for most people here) we need a little more to go on. --Kickstart70TC 07:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I beg to differ. Being featured in a major cookbook and on a major television series (repeatedly) is notability as best I can tell. Plus it's a pretty big deal and an institution of sorts in NY. But I'm often outvoted. So maybe others will have a different take! :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Always with respect, CoM, but notability needs to be proven...you're using OR :) --Kickstart70TC 06:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - though the article itself lacks sources at the moment, it's not hard to find them using various kinds of Google searches.--Boffob (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I added book cites to two of the Bourdain books in which the restaraunt is prominently featured, including the titular Anthony Bourdain's Les Halles Cookbook. The article does need internal references and additional editing, but the subject meets WP:N standards IMHO. Geoff (talk) 17:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - internationally known restaurant (more for literary reputation of chef patron than cuisine but still...). Obviously needs work. Terwilliger (talk) 22:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Snow it Keep I live in London and mostly on toast, have never seen the Food Channel or read Bourdain's books, yet even I've heard of this place. I remember being mildly astonished at not finding it here when checking out the New York restaurants list a few weeks back. Burp. Plutonium27 (talk) 03:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. There are plenty of reliable sources amongst the 352 hits in the Google News Archive, including reviews and non-reviews, both types of article counting towards notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.