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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. and with this many disparate opinions, none is likely with a relist. The 1E concerns have been (mostly) addressed, and a rename or merge does not require continued AfD. Star Mississippi 14:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon Miller (motorcyclist)[edit]

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Non-notable motorcyclist with no demonstrable significance or lasting coverage in third-party reliable sources; fails WP:GNG. Very likely to be a WP:AUTOBIO: (Redacted). --benlisquareT•C•E 23:21, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agreed. Sources appear to be rather dated and subject is not particularly of interest anymore. Clear COI due to the article edit history. Unless someone can bring a significant reputable source to the table to indicate the subject is of importance, I vote for deletion. Davwheat (talk) 23:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, I disagree with the motion. This man is no longer that much insignificant after the software malware injection debacle. 187.150.112.92 (talk) 23:33, 17 March 2022 (UTC) — 187.150.112.92 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
      • In which case, a new article would be better suited to this person, removing the "(motorcyclist)" in the title. I'd argue the vast majority of this article's content is unrelated to any potential future article about the subject. Davwheat (talk) 23:43, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        A new article wouldn't be needed, you could simply move this one to a more appropriate disambiguation; however the issue is that there is a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources to justify an article in either topic area. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 13:26, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability, see WP:SUSTAINED. I think node-ipc mention on npm (software) should cover this sufficiently. Xfix (talk) 23:54, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Given that all the motorcycle content fails notability requirements, it would mean that the article would only cover the malicious npm module (for those unfamiliar, please see context here and here), which would then potentially make the page fail WP:BLP1E. --benlisquareT•C•E 00:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • "all the motorcycle content fails notability requirements". How does it fail when cited to multiple WP:RS? Please cite the pertinent guideline to support your statement. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 14:10, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • IP, you can disagree as much as you want, but unless you're able to provide reliable secondary sources demonstrating WP:GNG it's WP:Crystal or simply your own opinion. So far the only 2 sources which could be RS about the controversy that have been mentioned on Wikipedia that I've seen have been IT News and Bleeping Computer. Neither of these demonstrate notability for the person. Nil Einne (talk) 07:05, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    "Sources are dated" isn't a legitimate deletion rationale. Notability is WP:NOTTEMPORARY and sources do not become unreliable or invalid because they are from a few years ago. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 14:08, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Easily WP:BLP1E. Northern Moonlight | ほっこう 01:05, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Sportspeople, and Motorsport. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 01:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Alternatively, keep and rename to "Brandon Miller (malware distributor)" to better reflect his notoriety. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.196.133.36 (talk) 10:18, 18 March 2022 (UTC) — 159.196.133.36 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    I agree with this sentiment entirely. Brandon Miller was never known as a motorcyclist, he didn't win any tournaments of notority. This is like giving a wikipedia article to all who won a participation prize in little league sports. This wikipedia article was even written by him, the picture uploadet is uploaded by him.
    It would probably be a good idea to rename the article as you say, instead of removing it as it only helps this bad faithed actor in his damage control.
    This article is now of public interrest, not because of anything related to motorcycling, but distribution of malware and bad developer practices. 212.97.250.0 (talk) 17:36, 18 March 2022 (UTC) — 212.97.250.0 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Delete, the subject fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:SPORTSBASIC. Obviously disagree with some demands of rename as that would make it an attack page. There shouldn't be a page on a non-notable person whatsoever. ☆★Mamushir (✉✉) 12:52, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Why would that constitute an attack page? Brandon Miller is the center of a current controversy, of course there is merit for an article about that. 212.97.250.0 (talk) 17:37, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Crime, and Computing. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 13:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as this AUTOBIO fails GNG; Recent coverage regarding an alleged malware distribution focuses on the distributing of the malware itself, not on the distributor, and even if SIGCOV existed in this context, I'm not convinced that BLP1E is cleared. As far as being a motorcycle racer, WP:NMOTORSPORT is not even close to being met. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 13:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to Neutral now; subject actually *does* pass NMOTORSPORT as a land speed record holder on an electric motorcycle as described here. The article itself may also actually likely doesn't count towards GNG in my opinion, but indicates greater potential for it, as well as provides a further claim to significance. If there is more coverage on the subject in regards to the malware incident, this could be a pass. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 14:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the points raised by EnPassant. The bar of BLP1E is cleared by his passing of NMOTORSPORT and by the continuing coverage of peacenotwar, including here. GNG is met. Additionally, the article has been substantially improved since the AfD was started; the closing admin should strongly consider disregarding the earlier delete !votes. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 22:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to "Brandon Nozaki Miller (developer)": even though it may pass NMOTORSPORT as GhostOfDanGurney said, he became notorious due to the malware "incident" --Anonimo88 (talk) 15:42, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I support a move to Brandon Nozaki Miller if this article is kept; this would suffice as there is no other article with that title (just a redirect to subject article) making further disambiguation beyond his middle name unneeded. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 16:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete insufficient SIGCOV to pass BASIC. SN54129 18:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't see enough coverage of Miller either as a motorcyclist or due to the malware incident to pass GNG and justify a biography. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:29, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Brandon Nozaki Miller. I vote that we rename this page since the person in question is notable for more than just motorcycling at this point, and link to peacenotwar (malware) for more detailed information about his cyberterrorism. The Gentle Sleep (talk) 19:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Brandon Nozaki Miller or peacenotwar (malware) and remove extra content in this article promoting the creator's biking escapades. After Brandon's mass distribution of malware via the open-source node-ipc, I don't see how he is anything other than noteworthy — even if for all the wrong reasons. However, he has certainly not made himself infamous for being on a bike, so that information is not relevant. —AddieMaddie talk | contribs 19:33, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I oppose moving to peacenotwar (malware); a new article can be created there without it affecting this AfD at all. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 20:17, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point, I went ahead and created Peacenotwar (malware) and added some basic information. I'll see about adding more information along with some more sources when I have time, but I invite anyone interested to help by expanding it. The Gentle Sleep (talk) 22:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Does not fall under BLP1E, as he's apparently notable for both his motorcycle records (as evidenced by writeups in several cycling publications) and this malware issue, which is a more recent story (which also negates the claim the subject falls short of WP:SUSTAINED. He also very clearly meets WP:GNG because there are multiple WP:RS covering him, many of which are already in the article. We don't delete things because we don't like the article subject or simply because it began as an AUTOBIO, when it's perfectly salvageable. Deleting this would fly in the face of our own guidelines. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 22:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep, or merge to Peacenotwar (malware). BLP1E should not apply as his record-setting (which is a WP:NMOTORSPORT plus) and malware distribution are distinct events with separate coverage. Motorcycle career sigcov, while not plentiful, is present Motorcycle.com and Lehigh Valley Live. DigitalIceAge (talk) 03:26, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect/merge to peacenotwar (malware). The malware itself is notable, but Brandon Miller is not independently notable outside of the malware incident. His motorcycle career does not seem to be all that notable judging by the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources, and at most all that would need to be "merged" to the malware article is a one sentence summary of Miller's motorcycle career for background on who he is. So in practice there wouldn't be much to merge. Endwise (talk) 10:08, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Are Motorcycle.com and Lehigh Valley Live not reliable enough or not significant enough, in your opinion? I dispute the notion that this subject is not independently notable from peacenotwar. GNG is met based on those two sources alone covering his motorcycling, in my opinion, which speaks to a lack of a WP:BEFORE check on the part of the nominator. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 13:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect/merge to peacenotwar (malware) per Endwise. Not independently notable; fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    What is not significant about these sources; I still don't think Endwise answered that either? [1] [2]. Two sources is all that is needed to pass GNG, which these two clearly accomplish, and also have nothing to do with the malware, making a merge highly inappropriate here per WP:NOMERGE point 3, "The topics are discrete subjects warranting their own articles, with each meeting the General Notability Guidelines, even if short.". -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 12:05, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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