Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bobbi Kristina Brown

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The result was Kept withdrawn by nominator. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 00:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bobbi Kristina Brown[edit]

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Non-notable person per WP:NOTINHERITED EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 00:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Article and its myriad sources speak for themselves. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 00:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First, an articles content doesn't determine notability. Also may I suggest WP:LOTSOFSOURCES and WP:ITSINTHENEWS. Many people drown in bathtubs yearly, the only reason for coverage is her famous parents which do not dictate notability. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 00:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct; an article's content does not determine notability; its sources do. That the article's subject inherits much of her notability from her parents is not in dispute; I argue that Ms. Brown's article makes the case for her own notability, and I stand by my vote. Cheers!

—ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 01:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think two of the sources refer to her bathtub scare, correct? This article is about her life overall. Coverage of the subject has continued long after her mother's death. Yes, she was originally known for only the relation, but now is a celebrity in her own right. Besides that, she is heiress to the Houston fortune, as well as sang with her mother (which still needs to be added). --Kbabej (talk) 01:21, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And the rest are about her mother. Think of it this way: If her mother wasn't Whitney Houston, would there have been a single news story about her? I want a link to one that isn't because of her heritage but about something she as a person has done. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:25, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What's the point in discussing "if her mother wasn't Whitney Houston"? Her mother IS Houston and that's what makes her "famous" and that's why she's received media coverage enough to make her notable. Not seeing your point here. G loss 05:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It's been here over 6 years. Selecting today to delete it? That's the depth of pointiness and wiki-snobbery. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Baseball Bugs: It has been here less than 6 hours! Learn your wiki before calling me a wiki-snob. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article creation in 2008. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 01:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. 6 years and 2 months ago. Where is Eo getting that 6 hours from? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Creation 5 HOURS AGO. Before then it was a community consensus decided redirect. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

With appropriate apologies, bullshit. There is no record—none public, anyway—of a discussion, never mind a consensus; it was merely redirected by an editor who has no record—none public, anyway—of ever having broached the topic. Care to prove me wrong? —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 05:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and one last dagger: when this article was redirected on 1 December 2008, Ms. Brown was three months shy of her 16th birthday. She had yet to record any music, make television appearances (connected to her mother or otherwise) or marry a man considered by some to be her brother. Eo seems to be arguing that the last six years didn't happen. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 05:43, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Created on December 1, 2008: [1] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deary me you are stubborn. redirected in 2008 because SHE ISN't NOTABLE. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're the one circling the article like a vulture even as her life may be hanging in the balance. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So are the lives of the other 151,600 people who died or are dying today. Doesn't mean they get a Wikipedia article. Why? Because their parents aren't famous. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Where do you get off deciding that someone who's still in the news 6 years later is "not notable"? Why are you so upset about this that you feel the need to repeatedly challenge every "Keep"? Would it kill you to wait a few days and see how this plays out? Or would that frustrate your deletionist appetite? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep- Brown is a key figure in her mother's legacy. She's also too well known to not even have an article based on her own life. CloudKade11 (talk) 01:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If only that was how notability worked. "mother's legacy" and "well known" are two of the worst arguments for notability. If she personally hasn't done anything notable, then she doesn't need her own article. Any info can be merged into Whitneys as thats the only reason she is "famous" (not really). EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per everyone above - Personally I don't think INHERITIED applies as she meets the notability criteria and appears to have done for quite some time, but meh that's my 2cents on it. –Davey2010^Talk 03:28, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above as well. She has gained significant coverage by media since her mother's death, sources are out there and the article can easily be improved, given it was just put together today.. G loss 05:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Snow Keep - Firstly, the nomination is a tad premature; only a few hours after creation (not years as some have stated; the article was indeed a redirect until earlier today/yesterday). However... the recent incident surrounding her has drawn a lot of attention from notable news media, so NOTINHERITED is immediately out of the window. So, the next potential concern is BLP1E. I'm pretty sure that isn't valid either; she received a lot of coverage for her role in the Houston estate, due to a lot of the legal wrangling around it. There was also a lot of coverage about her marriage it, even in reliable sources (e.g. [2]). Comments like "she hasn't done anything notable" are disingenuous at best; our policies and guidelines don't decide whether a person has done anything notable, but whether they are notable. And, like it or not, it appears that Bobbi Kristina Brown is notable, as she meets GNG quite comfortably. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 12:26, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: just for the sake of accuracy... the page existed in non-redirect form for a few months in 2013 and a month in 2014. I only state this to show that there was interst in the community for a stand-alone page at various times in the past. —Noah 17:24, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per explanations above. She has received media attention enough to make her own article notable, even after her mother's death. — Joaquin008 ^(talk) 15:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Snow Keep She clearly meets notability requirements. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 23:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.