Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Biker metal

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The result was keep. Tone 07:09, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Biker metal[edit]

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY. The term "Biker metal" does not appear to refer to a specific genre of music and instead seems to refer to multiple styles of rock, punk, and metal music TankieMrBanky (talk) 16:23, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2019 June 19. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 16:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. ^Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 17:02, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose although some sources seem to have different definitions, there is a pretty wide variety of sources discussing it, namely its heavy use by writers like Martin Popoff and Sleazegrinder of Classic Rock, which definitely seems to make it notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Issan Sumisu (talk • contribs) 18:13, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
These references don't seem to refer to biker metal as a distinct genre but instead refer to heavy metal music that appeals to bikers. The fact that a simple google search only returns a last.fm tag for biker metal and a bandcamp tag for Biker Metal makes it seem like there isn't much notability for this "genre". — Preceding unsigned comment added by TankieMrBanky (talk • contribs) 20:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What sources are you referring to when you say that? Because for example: loudwire.com/metallica-reload-anniversary/ says that "Reload, by contrast, was more experimental, blending biker metal, southern rock and unconventional arrangements"; www.hardradio.com/hr3.html?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardradio.com%2Freviews%2Freviews071598.php3 says "Tank's This Means War combined a scampered biker metal with epic war tales"; and www.loudersound.com/features/flash-metal-suicide-the-almighty says "Otherwise, it’s state of the art biker metal, right down to the ridiculous hollow-drum production." These all seem pretty definite in it being a genre. Issan Sumisu (talk) 05:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

These references don't really say what "biker metal" is. Is it just heavy metal music that bikers like? Is it metal influenced by punk music? If so, what differentiates this from crust punk, speed metal, or NWOBHM? These references to the term don't really seem to differentiate it as a genre.TankieMrBanky (talk) 16:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

loudwire.com/motorhead-overkill-album-anniversary/ describes it as "bluesy" and "bombastic"; www.loudersound.com/features/flash-metal-suicide-steve-jones says its "glam metal gone Mad Max"; in Teenage Wasteland: Suburbia's Dead End Kids by Donna Gaines it's described as a fusion of metal, punk and rock and roll. Most of the sources culminate in basically just saying it's the whole sound that Motorhead spawned. Issan Sumisu (talk) 18:05, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:02, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic is notable. For example, see the article in Spin. Andrew D. (talk) 09:45, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:35, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Added a paragraph on the musical characteristics of biker metal, with references. The term is definitely used in several reliable publications when referring to music, and there exists significant coverage of the nature of biker metal as a distinct genre (and not just 'metal that bikers like'). Gilded Snail (talk) 20:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep — whether a musical genre is well-defined or not isn't an argument for or against deletion. Featured articles on genres where there is no universal consensus on the definition include Grunge, Heavy metal music, Punk Rock, New wave of British heavy metal and Viking metal. If reliable sources use the term, then the basis for an article exists. Sourcing is sufficient to meet WP:GNG. Perhaps the reliable sources who recognize this genre are wrong; we have articles about things that are wrong, like Phlogiston theory. Perhaps the content could be upmerged into some broader topic for organizational and structural reasons (rather than failing notability) but that falls to local consensus, not AfD. To me it doesn't look like a good merge candidate. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Dennis Bratland above. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.