Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bigg Boss (franchise)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:11, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bigg Boss (franchise)[edit]

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The shows listed in this article are all part of the Big Brother (franchise) which already has an article. Most of the information in this article can either be found on the main franchise page or on the individual show pages. TheDoctorWho (talk) 08:52, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 09:17, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 09:17, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Though Bigg Boss is a part of Big Brother (franchise), it has grown to be a franchise of its own. The international adaptions for different regions of the world have 1 or 2 versions per region while India already has 7 adaptions in 7 languages which is expected to increase in the near future. The mentioned article - Big Brother (franchise) does not shed much light on all the Indian versions of the show. Thus, Bigg Boss (franchise) deserves an article to highlight the Indian adaptions of the show with details present in the article already and additional information which is to be added. This article will help the readers to learn about all the adaptions for the Indian edition of the show with ease and giving an option to know more about a particular version if interested. AkshayAnand^Talk! 09:05, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Big Brother (franchise) article could always be expanded. A good example of something similar is Big Brother (UK TV series) which has 1 main edition, 4 spin-off editions, and 4 [current] companion shows. Yet there is no reason to create a whole franchise article about it there are just mentions in the main article. TheDoctorWho (talk) 09:17, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Though expanding the Big Brother (franchise) article is a valid point, many Indians are not familiar with Big Brother. Also, in any other article/discussion, when someone intends to mention Bigg Boss as the Indian version, it only directs the readers to Hindi language version which is not correct as the show exists in 7 languages in India with individual programming. It is more likely that the reader ends up on the article about Hindi version when Bigg Boss is referenced in general and Bigg Boss (franchise), as a franchise is missed out. The importance needs to be given to all language versions and deleting this article might pull attention to the Hindi version only. AkshayAnand^Talk! 09:33, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The current article could always be redirected to the section that was expanded on the Big Brother (franchise) article which would take care of your raised issues. TheDoctorWho (talk) 09:56, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I feel this is easier said than done. Redirecting to an elaborate article about the whole Big Brother franchise with section about Indian version will either enforce minimizing of information provided in the current article to stay at par with the details mentioned in the Big Brother franchise article. (If you compare the summary tables, the details mentioned in the current article are much more accurate and descriptive with numerous sources.) Or, expanding a section in the Big Brother franchise article with these details would make the already big article even bigger and it will also render only Bigg Boss as an important adaption as it will have more details compared to other versions. I strongly feel this article will serve its purpose and should not be deleted. AkshayAnand^Talk! 04:31, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Though Bigg Boss is a part of Big Brother (franchise), it has grown to be a franchise of its own in India. It is necessary to showcase a huge reality television been in Top since years all to be in an article.--Made In IN (talk) 07:00, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as per nom there is no reason for Bigg Boss to have a franchise page because it is part of the Big Brother franchise. A disambiguate page would be more preferable. ♪♫Al ucard 16♫♪ 05:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but rename to Bigg Boss.
1. It is not a franchise; it's part of the Big Brother franchise, which has numerous different series-specific names in various countries and languages.
2. The article presently at the misnomer Bigg Boss (franchise) is the direct equivalent of Big Brother (UK TV series) – it's the national-level article on a number of closely-related TV shows, some of which have their own spinoff articles.
3. The page presently at Bigg Boss should be Big Boss (Hindi TV series); giving it the "Bigg Boss" title by itself is a PoV problem has well as a WP:CONSISTENCY failure, in that it's showing favoritism to Hindi over the Bangla, Marathi, Telugu, etc. editions.
4. See also Talk:Bigg Boss#Requested move 21 June 2018, one in a series of RMs to move misnamed articles in the Big Brother/Bigg Boss/etc. franchise to properly disambiguated names (e.g. Bigg Boss Tamil → Bigg Boss (Tamil TV series), because none of the shows are actually titled anything like Big Boss Tamil).

In short, this should be speedily closed as a WP:RM matter that's been mis-filed in AfD. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@TheDoctorWho, AkshayAnand, Made In IN, and Alucard 16: Pinging previous respondents. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 20:18, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll respond but my internet is currently down until at least later tonight so it may be a bit. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @SMcCandlish: I disagree with the suggestion to move. The thing with the Big Brother UK articles is that the show started and spawned several spin-ofs which is what the article covers. Imagine if the UK created a version of Big Brother for each language spoken in the country and then a Wikipedia article was created to cover each language. That article would be treating it as a franchise about the different language shows not a parent show and its spin-off's. That's also what this article is doing which brings me back to my original point that Big Brother already has a franchise page. The U.S. version doesn't have its own franchise page just because a spanish version and English version aired there. Similarly, Canada doesn't have it's own franchise page because they aired two versions in the French language (Big Brother (Quebec TV series) and Loft Story (Canadian TV series))and one in the English language. I suggest that the content could be merged into the Big Brother (franchise) page and this article redirected. TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:21, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  We need not split hairs that fine. If tomorrow sees the launch of Welsh, Scots, [Scottish] Gaelic, Irish [Gaelic] (in Northern Ireland, part of the UK), Manx [Gaelic], and Cornish editions of the UK Big Brother, and they each have their own articles, they'd still be mentioned WP:SUMMARY-style at Big Brother (UK TV series), exactly like it presently covers summaries of the extant spin-offs, and exactly as the page presently at Bigg Boss (franchise) covers the variant Indian editions. The important points to me are a) some additional UK shows in other languages wouldn't magically make it a stand-alone franchise; b) the historical course taken to get to there being more than one UK edition (or Indian editions) doesn't dictate how we structure, name, and categorize the articles; and c) consistency is more helpful for readers that trying to use trickery in titling, page-splitting, article-creation-and-deletion, and – importantly – blatant original research in deciding to redefine "franchise" on the fly to mean something new ... all just to "model" the show relationships in an overly clever way that no one is going to understand but the editors who invented it out of thin air. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 13:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Also for the record based on the above reasons I purposefully filed this as an Afd so please stop saying that this was a misfiled RM. I know the difference between an Afd and an RM. Thanks!! TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:34, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  I wasn't implying anything about your intent. I'm making a "which process will expediently produce a useful outcome?" point. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 13:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment-Will be !voting in some detail, soon.....Please relist∯WBG^converse 13:01, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this is sufficiently different from the Big Brother (franchise) article. No opinion on a move to Bigg Boss but that can/should be done by WP:RM anyhow. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep per above. It'll also be good to be able to move this to "Bigg Boss". Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Power~enwiki and Paintspot: Bigg Boss is NOT "significantly different" from the Big Brother (franchise) the overall purpose of the game is EXACTLY the same and most of the format is similar. Of course there may be small differences in the independent country franchise but the only thing different is the name. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:27, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Winged Blades of Godric: do you still plan on !voting? (Not pushing you to just a reminder in case you forgot as the relist is approaching the end tomorrow.) TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:34, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.